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Tbh I took the sign as an admission that Trump's win made people realize that they can't just sit around having brunch and expect the world to get better because of the work of other people. Yeah it's coming from a place of privilege but they're admitting they were wrong to be so unaware before

 

I don't think there's a "before" to that. I think it's directly saying they'd continue to be unaware if not for Trump.

 

Something I read earlier today was that it might be proof of witness intimidation?

 

I mean, if your reaction is "stupid neoliberals rar rar rar" based on that interpretation of a joke meme, then I think your priorities are mixed up.

 

In Defense of Nancy Pelosi

The ads that featured Pelosi were aimed at energizing highly partisan Republicans, the type of people who would know and hate any Democratic leader. Pelosi is a villain in these ads almost by default, since more prominent party leaders—Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton—have stepped aside, and thus lack sufficient scariness as bogeymen. Moreover, getting rid of Pelosi just because Republicans hate her would be a singularly craven move for Democrats—and would probably be ineffective to boot, in this regard. Her successor would become the GOP’s new top enemy.

The ideological critique of Pelosi is equally confused. To Republicans, she’s the archetypical “San Fransisco Democrat,” committed to unrestrained liberalism and out of touch with heartland values. Yet to Pelosi’s left-wing critics, she’s utterly without principles and cares only about holding the reins. “The Democratic House leadership is dedicated to retaining power for themselves and nothing else,” argues Matt Stoller, a fellow at the New America Foundation. “Nancy Pelosi is utterly incoherent. She’s not a leader, she’s in charge of making sure no other leaders emerge.”

Both these critiques miss the central fact about Pelosi: She’s been an extraordinarily effective parliamentarian. The daughter of a former congressman and mayor of Baltimore, she was born into the machine politics of the Democratic Party and has the gift of a ward boss who knows how to trade favors and cut backroom deals in order to hold a coalition together. She is also perhaps the most talented fundraiser in American politics, having brought in more than half a billion dollars to Democratic coffers since taking over the leadership in 2003. She inherited a minority party that had been in retreat for more than a decade, and brought it back to majority status in 2006.

Unlike the Republican speakers who preceded her (Dennis Hastert) and succeeded her (John Boehner, Paul Ryan), Pelosi held her caucus together during their minority (under President George W. Bush) and delivered major legislative victories during their majority (especially in President Barack Obama’s first two years). A 2009 profile inTime surveyed her accomplishments: “Pelosi holds the highest post ever attained by any woman in U.S. history, and stands second in line of succession to the presidency. She has consolidated more power than any other Speaker in modern history, scholars of the office believe. In the first year of the Obama presidency, she has used that power — and an 81-seat Democratic majority, the largest either party has enjoyed in the House in 14 years—to pass every item on his agenda: health care, energy, regulatory reform, education, pay equity.”

 

Right? That was hilarious lol. Sign says we are only showing up because we're affected and somehow it's me alienating people. And I get the "it's just a joke" defense no less.

 

All I can say about that sign is that it proves the LGBTQ community has its own problems with intersectionality, regarding white folks and POC.

 

I thought you said you got the interpretation exactly right? Cause it's not that.

 

Still like that meme better at the rallies.

 

One of the best.

 

Considering I am the only person to take it that way you are probably right lol

 

eh, maybe if you look at just the sign.

But the "Stronger together" shirt and the "I'm with her" hashtags, this guy isn't making a meta point about Trump waking people up... seems to me he is being completely serious that, had Hillary won, LGBT rights in this country would be in a state where he wouldn't feel the need to protest. Even if its just a joke, its one that glosses over the struggles LGBT people who aren't white middle class cisgendered and living in liberal states still face

 

This could all be true and yet it still be a time for new leadership for a new era. I still think Ellison or Khanna could be good leaders.

 

Agreed. Just thought it was as coherent as a "defense" I've seen from Jeet.

 

100% true. I could have sworn that phrase had been used in other protests dating back to the inaguration, but after googling, there's nothing that shows anything with that phrase from more than a week ago. My mistake

 

The protest meme (broadly used) that pisses me off the most is still Green Day popularizing a vastly inferior syncopation for the chant "No Trump/No KKK/No Fascists USA."

 

Rand Paul spewing his libertarian bullshit on CNN now

 

OMG spewing the lie that people can just wait to get sick and then buy insurance, all the while glossing over that the reason why the insurance is more expensive is because of the EHBs that force them to cover shit for people.

 

gotta get the dealers off the streets. first water, who knows what's next: coke ?

 

Wtf is this

 

Bump. I wanna say the clip was actually used by one of hte late show hosts. Feel like it was a black woman saying it but not sure if I"m just misremembering or not.

 

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