Logan (James Mangold, March 3 2017) Movie • Page 12

Fantastic and fascinating read.

 

When Logan put Charles in the back of the truck I'm pretty sure Charles said something that made it seem like in his dying moments he thought he was on the Sun-Seeker boat

 

Much as I enjoyed this I'm still pretty chaffed we've had like 10 X-Men movies and Cyclops has been a non-factor.

 

Mmmmm... that's some good post production porn and on some level actual porn.

 

If they really are following up Apocalypse with a Dark Phoenix film with galactic elements, I could see the heart of that being Jean and Scott, and I could also see the Starjammers playing a role.

I'm not super into Cyclops outside of the Bendis Uncanny run that most people don't care for, but if I were rebooting the franchise, I'd make him the heart of it, since so much of the best that X-Men has to offer can be tied to a strong Scott character arc:

The first film would have Scott and Alex recruited by Xavier and meeting Jean and company. There'd be a film where Havok and Polaris leave after fighting Magneto, while Cyclops becomes closer to Xavier. The third film would have an emotionally earned Phoenix story, which would damage Scott's trust in Xavier. Emma Frost would be the villain of the first film and grow close to Scott in the fourth film. We'd eventually get an emotionally earned turn to the whole Bendis revolutionary take on the character, maybe after an Xavier death better than the most recent one Scott was responsible for.

(I've thought about this way too much, lol.)

 

I loved this movie.

I am, however, left with some questions yet again about the nature of this franchise. Is Logan the end result of the new timeline created at the end of DOFP? If so, that means we know that, despite their attempts to save mutants, they were still surreptitiously killed off anyway. Frankly I love the social commentary there about the government finding a simple way to suppress and kill off a minority group only to turn around and attempt to recreate that group in order to maintain control just to watch said control group turn on them anyway. I loved that this movie took some risks (killing the former X-Men we knew and loved offscreen, killing Xavier and Logan tragically). It felt like something I wouldn't see in an MCU movie as a result. That all being said, if this is the end result of the current timeline then does that mean we're going into the next X-Men film about Dark Phoenix set in the 90s with the mindset that this is all going to end in tragedy anyway? Granted I did not enjoy Apocalypse at all, but I did like DOFP and, to a lesser degree, First Class. I loved Logan and am so glad we have it because it feels final and the teenage me that saw the first one in theaters seventeen years ago was emotionally satisfied, but this also kind of puts a damper on any films set in the past going forward, doesn't it? Or is Logan going to end up having taken place in a timeline of its own? I guess I'm just wondering what Fox is doing from here? It's kind of distracting to want to root for the X-Men to save the day when, in the midst of whatever they're battling next, I'll be thinking "yeah this is great and all, but Charles eventually accidentally murders all of you and then he also dies tragically after being stabbed by a clone of one of his closest students." I don't know, the Fox timeline is, as Deadpool says, so confusing.

 

It's a lonely club being a fan of Cyclops, but I think his ideological representation/character are integral to the X-Men dynamic. Not that he's absolutely necessary to a good X-Men story, but in a larger X-Men context I think he can bring out a lot of the best in X-Men stories. I remember being so pissed sitting in the theater during the Last Stand when Cyclops died, then I learned he was killed off and killed off quickly and weirdly because apparently the studio was mad James Marsden took a role in Superman Returns. I think his presence has been missed in the following films. I love his dynamic on a team with Wolverine.

 

I'd love to see this moment onscreen:

 

This. One million times this. Like him or not, Cyclops has always been at the heart of the team, and to see his mistreatment in the movies has been so disappointing. He was the original, after all. The leader. His growth from the boy scout who followed Xavier against all odds to the mutant leader who teams up with Magneto to ensure mutantkind's survival is one of the most interesting character arcs IMO. That will likely never get explored in the movies, but just having him feel like the leader of the X-Men would be enough.

 

I loooved this. Might be my new favourite comic book movie.

 

Loved loved loved this movie. The farm house scene had horror/terminator vibes that were great. Only complaint is at the end all the kids could have helped out in fighting X-24 instead of taking their time murdering robot arm man.

 

Yeah that farmhouse scene definitely had horror movie vibes. With the perfect cornfield background too.

 

Logan's director finally explains what the Westchester incident was about | GamesRadar+

 

Man, I'd love to see that scene but it was 100% the right move to not include it in the movie.

 

I mean, it was pretty obvious in the movie what happened during that event. That didn't really need explained.

But i did enjoy reading his thought process of why he cut it. Makes total sense and was the right decision. We don't need to see it.

 

I had people who saw the movie with me who wanted to see a scene like that, which I just don't understand at all. It'd be a worse movie with it.

 

I mean, if you want to see a bunch of X-Men die, just go watch DOFP.

 

Fuck

 

I could maybe see it working if they had added little flashes of Westchester into the episodes we saw.

 

During his other seizures? No way. At least absolutely not during the hotel one. While that's around the time I was over the extreme violence, that scene is not as great if it's cutting away to the past.

 

What a great choice to exclude it. Very smart, he made the right call.

 

Saw this yesterday

Now that's how you do a swan song