Sexism/Feminism/Womanism Discussion Thread Social • Page 66

I can't even imagine how scary it would be to pick up groups of men, especially drunk men.

 

The employee who wrote the blog post was an engineer at HQ but yea I could never drive for them. My dad does though and even he's been unnerved by drunk men and had to tell them to get out of his car. I def couldn't put myself in the position of having to do that, not even for the dough. I had a female Uber driver in Las Vegas of all places though so i guess it can be done!

 

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Last fall I got turned away by several nurses who listened to me saying I was coughing up blood for an appointment until I finally just went to Urgent Care - where the (male) admitting nurse said I probably just had a cold and smirked at me when I said I'd had colds before and this wasn't one.

Finally got to see a doctor and they said I'd been walking around with a lung infection for 3 weeks.

I was recovering from spine surgery in 2011 and got the mother of all migraines that lasted for 8 days about 2 months into recovery. Went to the hospital every single day. Day 8 saw me in the ER where the doctor laughed and said I was being dramatic as I was sobbing in my hospital bed.

Turns out I was leaking spinal fluid.

Yeah. The list goes on.

 

what category do girls who simply want to wear the hijab fall under? does she make exceptions for those or does she think it's all unacceptable until the girls reach an age that represents autonomy, do you know?

 

It seems like you don't read her tweets - go to the pol thread, we seem to be discussing it there.

 

i read the thread and didn't see it in there but maybe i missed it, still catching up in pol

 

Sorry you went through that

 

Karrueche Tran Gets Restraining Order Against Chris Brown, Says He Threatened to Kill Her - XXL

 

This is great.

 

A Frank Talk With Jessa Crispin About Why Modern-Day Feminism Is Full of Shit

 

Oh my goodness I love this interview. It is so eloquent and articulate, and says so many of the things I've been struggling to say in a careful and detailed manner. This is actually really great, please don't let the title turn you away from reading. I'm learning a lot from this.

 

I agree with a lot of this but I can't quite bring myself to get on board with a (apparently) white woman denouncing the term white feminism in favor of "power feminism" without examining why it was dubbed that in the first place. And then to associate it with Beyonce, of all the women in the world?

Even the author put a pause on that one. I dunno, non-intersectional crap like that makes it hard for me to want to continue invest in reading the piece. I tried, but with one small paragraph she made it pretty clear our perspectives keep us from being on the same team.

Note: I didn't finish the piece so idk if she addressed this later. But I'm just tired of folks pretending whiteness can somehow be separated from the problems with feminism or how those get addressed.

 

damn that was some read. a lot to digest. so many moments i went from 'yeah totally!" to "hey now, wait a minute" back to "YES tHIS!" to "idk about that".

good read, a lot to consider

 

Yeah that was one part I definitely 100% disagreed with - sorry I didn't clarify with that in my earlier post. As y'all know, I've been heavily critical of white feminism within the past year.

 

I didn't read the whole interview because I have somewhere to be buuut I totally agree with Lightning and Anna. It's really weird for a feminist who is white to say we should change "white feminism" to "power feminism" because that declaws the phrase entirely from what white feminism is actually about, which is whiteness. Sure, whiteness is a form of power, but to lump Beyonce's brand of feminism with Taylor Swift's just because they're rich is disingenuous. White feminism is predicated on whiteness. I know Jessa Crispin does advocate for intersectionality (I recently listened to her interview with NPR) but I don't think she leaves nearly enough room for POC. The only times I've heard her address us (again, didn't read her book or the whole interview so correct me if I'm wrong) is to reference us as cogs in the machine of capitalism rather than to refer to the specific challenges of racism within misogyny, and within feminism. I don't think it's like, malicious of her at all -- I just don't think she gets it.

Also, I'm not here for disassociating oneself from feminism just because others misunderstand it. I hate the title of her book. People have been misunderstanding feminism since before women could vote. I'm still a fucking feminist.

 

yeah i wanna be clear i don't agree 100% with the contents. should probably have specified and put some of my thoughts out there but i posted in a bit of haste.

i definitely was... lukewarm on how this interview handled (or kind of side-stepped) intersectionality. she touches on it in an economic sense, which i think is good and important - how people, and women specifically, of color are impacted by white feminism's ignorance of economic oppression under capitalism. that was worsened by what i think reads like a bit of rose-tinted glasses for 2nd wave feminism, which itself had a lot of trouble with sexuality/trans issues, class, and racism. my understanding is that 3rd and 3.5th (as i call the newest evolution of feminism which began using modern technology strategically, haha) wave feminism has been pretty significant in beginning to give women of color a voice without immediately going on the white person defensive on how feminism needs to continue to grow.

i will say that Beyonce, to me, seems like a sensible comparison for capitalist feminism - not necessarily the best, for the reasons you mentioned - consider women like Sheryl Sandberg, Lena Dunham, Amy Schumer, Clinton - those would have made more sense. i do think it's important to remain critical of at least the possibility of Beyonce's status as a corporate feminist and what that means, though (e: while also appreciating and analyzing her significance for woc in an entertainment industry saturated with white figureheads)

it's possible she goes more in depth in her book with this - i hope she does, because it is a concerning glossing-over of a vital element of improving feminism as a movement - the abandonment of which would strike me as fundamentally opposed to someone trying to rip it away from corporate domination, as whitewashing is a tactic easily used IN the monetization of such a framework.

messy thoughts, hope that makes sense.

e: also will agree, not really a fan of the book title. it struck me as mostly edgy, and she clarifies how she means it, such that it's an abandonment of the "new bastardization" of feminism and not of the core concepts. but it's messy.

 

this is an important point that i think i took for granted. i think it's good that she can identify how poc suffer under capitalism uniquely but it's also important not to ignore feminism's inherent problems with race... not to throw out the relational injustice in favor of just focusing on the structural, i guess, kind of. anyway, thanks.

 

Melania and Ivanka's plastic feminism cover Trump's mysogyny - CNN.com

 

Trump's feminist critics gagged by Chinese internet giant Weibo

 

the idea that Melania and Ivanka are feminist figures may be the worst thing i've seen haha. there's a good article that talks about how they benefit from feminism, but refuse to acknowledge or empower it and instead use it to deflect from Trump's misogyny. i think https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/opinion/sunday/ivanka-trumps-dangerous-fake-feminism.html might be it but i'm not sure

 

the way you're responding makes it seem like you didn't read the article (in which, then, you wouldn't know why i posted it).

 

no i read this you sent it to me separately? was just saying i agreed

 

Oh you never addressed it there, so I forgot I sent it to you, haha. Didn't realize you were making a general comment as opposed to directly replying to the CNN piece. Pretty much both of those articles are similar in tone/opinion lol

 

yeah they both examine this weird idea that i've seen, mostly from cons for the Trumps, that power + woman = feminist