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spiffa0 · Dec 25, 2024

Randall Mentzos said:

I'm gonna both agree and disagree with this post simultaneously if that makes sense:
(not an argument per se just another perspective / food for thought)

I think it's the opposite, it's so hard that very few people can balance everything and approach football from many different perspectives as appropriate, depending on which is most effective for the context, rather than getting caught leaning on predictable biases. This goes for every aspect of football, not just coaching it - but even analyzing it and determining which of the problems with the team is a "root cause" and which are merely "correlated side effects".

It's easy to look at stats and cherry pick one thing that speaks to you and be like "that's why the team sucks" - people get so hung up on one thing sometimes, that it's impossible to convince them to look at "is that the first domino in the domino chain though?" So many statistical relationships in football are reciprocal; to give a layman's example, a bad running game due to a bad run blocking offensive line can cause the same exact problems as a bad pass blocking line - and there's a constant give and take between each. Is the line pass blocking bad because that's what they suck at, or is it because their terrible rushing attack makes it predictable when the QB will have to hold the ball and it's a good time to send a blitz?

And even that's not just two possibilities, endless other things could be causing that whole dynamic to occur. Maybe the OC's run blocking scheme has a lot of lemon plays that just aren't realistic to get offensive linemen where they need to be before the defense blows it up. Maybe they're missing their skilled slot WR and didn't scheme a way to execute as many easy underneath completions without him, so both the running game and the deep passing game suffer from not having that diversifying element. Maybe they're running the ball too much when they should be more aggressive, and opposing DCs smell blood when they ARE about to take a risk because they only do it out of necessity and not enough by surprise.

Thing is, more of the things I listed above are coaching related than talent related. And a lot of times the buck stops with a coach not making the right adjustment when ANY of those infinite setbacks happen. That's when the dominoes start to fall a lot of the time and lead to a chain reaction of the team starting to play worse overall, because the coach's job is to be unbiased and to be adaptable to any possible thing in their scheme or personnel that ain't working. When struggles linger, it's often because coaches are too stubborn about their process to turn EVERY stone to find the REAL problem and they're just putting duct tape on the leaks they're more willing to acknowledge instead.

All this to say:

it's not that there's only 3 or 4 smart people in the league, it's that there's only 3 or 4 geniuses in the league - and everyone who isn't a genius has a slim ass chance of winning a superbowl, because they have to win several games in a row against other very smart people and at least 1 or 2 geniuses to do it. So while I agree you're often just moving deck chairs around on the Titanic, that's more so a metaphor for how slim the talent pool is and how tough it is to actually improve on what you have, than it is a statement about the coordinator not really being the issue.

Even if what the Texans (or whoever) have IS a personnel issue, Slowik has still shown he can't adjust and work around it. He's got limited creativity and regardless whatever other issues they have that could have nothing to do with Slowik, sometimes breaking the cycle and changing decision makers can still stop the vicious cycle and make it easier to address the other problems more directly, rather than just seeing a team that's a mess and trying to do it all one at a time. Every team is gonna run into personnel issues, injuries and the salary cap make sure of that, but if the issues are the same no matter who you're plugging into starting roles then it's only natural after a few years to point at the leadership. It's not saying "that guy's not smart" it's saying that "even smart guys have to have a lot of momentum to succeed, cause their biases and the unchanged / unquestioned parts of their process will get figured out by rival teams with genius coaches who CAN constantly challenge their biases, and that will hold them back eventually - so maybe a fresh start and new momentum is the only way to drain the poisoned well."

did you type this book on your phone

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

Randall Mentzos said:

I'm gonna both agree and disagree with this post simultaneously if that makes sense:
(not an argument per se just another perspective / food for thought)

I think it's the opposite, it's so hard that very few people can balance everything and approach football from many different perspectives as appropriate, depending on which is most effective for the context, rather than getting caught leaning on predictable biases. This goes for every aspect of football, not just coaching it - but even analyzing it and determining which of the problems with the team is a "root cause" and which are merely "correlated side effects".

It's easy to look at stats and cherry pick one thing that speaks to you and be like "that's why the team sucks" - people get so hung up on one thing sometimes, that it's impossible to convince them to look at "is that the first domino in the domino chain though?" So many statistical relationships in football are reciprocal; to give a layman's example, a bad running game due to a bad run blocking offensive line can cause the same exact problems as a bad pass blocking line - and there's a constant give and take between each. Is the line pass blocking bad because that's what they suck at, or is it because their terrible rushing attack makes it predictable when the QB will have to hold the ball and it's a good time to send a blitz?

And even that's not just two possibilities, endless other things could be causing that whole dynamic to occur. Maybe the OC's run blocking scheme has a lot of lemon plays that just aren't realistic to get offensive linemen where they need to be before the defense blows it up. Maybe they're missing their skilled slot WR and didn't scheme a way to execute as many easy underneath completions without him, so both the running game and the deep passing game suffer from not having that diversifying element. Maybe they're running the ball too much when they should be more aggressive, and opposing DCs smell blood when they ARE about to take a risk because they only do it out of necessity and not enough by surprise.

Thing is, more of the things I listed above are coaching related than talent related. And a lot of times the buck stops with a coach not making the right adjustment when ANY of those infinite setbacks happen. That's when the dominoes start to fall a lot of the time and lead to a chain reaction of the team starting to play worse overall, because the coach's job is to be unbiased and to be adaptable to any possible thing in their scheme or personnel that ain't working. When struggles linger, it's often because coaches are too stubborn about their process to turn EVERY stone to find the REAL problem and they're just putting duct tape on the leaks they're more willing to acknowledge instead.

All this to say:

it's not that there's only 3 or 4 smart people in the league, it's that there's only 3 or 4 geniuses in the league - and everyone who isn't a genius has a slim ass chance of winning a superbowl, because they have to win several games in a row against other very smart people and at least 1 or 2 geniuses to do it. So while I agree you're often just moving deck chairs around on the Titanic, that's more so a metaphor for how slim the talent pool is and how tough it is to actually improve on what you have, than it is a statement about the coordinator not really being the issue.

Even if what the Texans (or whoever) have IS a personnel issue, Slowik has still shown he can't adjust and work around it. He's got limited creativity and regardless whatever other issues they have that could have nothing to do with Slowik, sometimes breaking the cycle and changing decision makers can still stop the vicious cycle and make it easier to address the other problems more directly, rather than just seeing a team that's a mess and trying to do it all one at a time. Every team is gonna run into personnel issues, injuries and the salary cap make sure of that, but if the issues are the same no matter who you're plugging into starting roles then it's only natural after a few years to point at the leadership. It's not saying "that guy's not smart" it's saying that "even smart guys have to have a lot of momentum to succeed, cause their biases and the unchanged / unquestioned parts of their process will get figured out by rival teams with genius coaches who CAN constantly challenge their biases, and that will hold them back eventually - so maybe a fresh start and new momentum is the only way to drain the poisoned well."

Good post

MidDave · Dec 25, 2024

JoshIsMediocre said:

Good post

Absolutely no chance you read that lol

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

MidDave said:

Absolutely no chance you read that lol

I absolutely did

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

I’d take long Randall posts over doing a rum posts lol

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

Sorry that was probably mean but that’s a dumb way of saying it Dave

MidDave · Dec 25, 2024

JoshIsMediocre said:

Sorry that was probably mean but that’s a dumb way of saying it Dave

Tell that to Spiffa for saying "I'm doing a weed"

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

MidDave said:

Tell that to Spiffa for saying "I'm doing a weed"

If spiffa told you to jump off a bridge would you do it

MidDave · Dec 25, 2024

Yeah, probably

spiffa0 · Dec 25, 2024

At least 90% of these posts are worse than the rum/weed posts

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

MidDave said:

Yeah, probably

No will to live at all huh

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

spiffa0 said:

At least 90% of these posts are worse than the rum/weed posts

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Do the math nerd

MidDave · Dec 25, 2024

JoshIsMediocre said:

No will to live at all huh

Meh

CarpetElf · Dec 25, 2024

spiffa0 said:

did you type this book on your phone

You know he did

CobraKidJon · Dec 25, 2024

Netflix got their first two football games and they both blowouts

as it should be

Sean Murphy · Dec 25, 2024

spiffa0 said:

At least 90% of these posts are worse than the rum/weed posts

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CobraKidJon · Dec 25, 2024

tamales were smacking I had at least 3 or 4 of them

MidDave · Dec 25, 2024

JoshIsMediocre said:

Do the math nerd

I did. You guys combine for 25% of all the posts in here. No wonder this thread sucks so bad these days.

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

MidDave said:

I did. You guys combine for 25% of all the posts in here. No wonder this thread sucks so bad these days.

Sean Murphy · Dec 25, 2024

and yet youre always here!!!

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

CarpetElf · Dec 25, 2024

CobraKidJon said:

tamales were smacking I had at least 3 or 4 of them

That's not a smacking quality. I'll have at least two MEDIOCRE tamales.

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

Hot tamales are a go to movie snack for me

CarpetElf · Dec 25, 2024

JoshIsMediocre said:

Hot tamales are a go to movie snack for me

What're you a fucking cop?

JoshIsMediocre · Dec 25, 2024

CarpetElf said:

What're you a fucking cop?

I like cinnamon

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