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Students at Berkeley walked out of their classes.

 

I honestly believe that our society, as a whole, is getting dumber. I mean, what percentage of people do you think received their news/views regarding a certain candidate primarily based upon Facebook posts and memes?

I don't know how many times I saw that Photoshopped photo of Hillary shaking hands with Bin Laden with the caption "Remember this on election day." Many people saw that and totally believed it. Showing them the original photo made no difference. They would simply reply with something like, "Well, I could see her doing something like that." You simply cannot reason with people like that. I firmly believe they are lost causes.

This is perhaps the first election where facts simply did not matter. They played no real role in Trump's election. And, his supporters were so enthusiastic, that they would openly admit that there was nothing he could do to say their support.

 

My stepdad's family voted for him as Christian's against abortion....

 

They would still be extremely minimal compared to trump's

 

Holy shit, Connecticut had over 75% voter turnout

http://go.socialnewsdesk.com/r?p=17542544&pg=3a7a1514-0b5d-4645-a5a6-6b6695fd85fb&sn=19810

 

From Facebook Feed:
"No matter who you voted for, or how you feel about last night's results, you can still:

1. Be bold and ask him/her out for dinner and movie.
2. Start that side business you've been thinking about.
3. Double your income this year.
4. Lose 10-50 lbs this year.
5. Train for and run a marathon. (if you're insane)
6. Have, adopt, or foster a beautiful child.
7. Write a book and sell a million copies of it.
8. Quit a bad habit.
9. Learn to play guitar.
10. Spend more time outdoors.
11. Ask your boss for the promotion/raise you deserve.
12. Get a better job and quit your current one.
13. Spend more time with your kids.
14. Attend a local Church and learn more about Jesus Christ.
15. Buy your first home or rental property.
16. Millions of other things

I'm glad Trump won, and I'm not a racist.
You voted for Clinton, and you're not 'crooked'.
There's 300+ million of us here, and only you get to wake up living inside your body and mind for the amount of days God gives you. Reflect your Creator, be a good family member and friend, don't do drugs, and don't walk slow on the left side of the airport conveyor belt."

Yup, done with these idiots on Facebook....fuck this shit...

 

Well, if they attend the right church, they may learn that Jesus Christ would've been disgusted by Trump.

 

They are Dutch Reformed. If you don't where a suit and have a name ending in "aberg" or "stra" you're probably already going to hell.

 

The western world is a messed up placed indeed and my consolations to all those on here upset by the result. I know how you feel after Brexit.

What to make of it?

It's just the latest in a long line of knock on effects from the Thatcher/Reagan years. The free market economy has had its day. It was great for a period in the 90s but it's not sustainable. It led to greed, inequality and in turn the 07/08 recession. When the recession kicked in our (UK and USA, and many other European) governments turned to bail outs and quantative easing and austerity at a time when they should have been holding a Spanish inquisition into why the recession happened on the scale that it did. he political elite chose to back the same people that created the problem and in fact further continued to stack the system so that it worked for the elite rather than the every day person. More than that, they used taxpayers hard earned money to offset the costs, while imposing severe cuts that affected them the most. That was a pivotal moment in history for our countries.


People have finally woken up to the failures of our politicians, sadly, rather than look to progressive thinkers, they have acted on impulse and anger and voted partly in protest and partly in blind faith for Trump, just as they did with Brexit, led chiefly by Farage.

Where do we go from here? In a world where the protesting masses are playing into the very elite they are protesting against' hands (particularly in the UK). Where we have mainstream media both sides of the Atlantic, run by that same elite, peppering everybody's minds that anything remotely left is communist, Russia is trying start a war with us all, immigrants took your job and to think progressively is just fantasy etc etc etc. It's hard to see any way back.

I actually predicted a few years back (after the London Riots) to a friend that there would come a time when we'll be looking at a modern day version of the Peasants Revolt of 1381 in England. That doesn't seem to far away now. People have just been pushed too far.

Hopefully if we can all avoid another War we can return to a level of measured thinking, reform our political systems, the nature of discourse and start thinking beyond economic policies of the 70s and 80s.

I used to blame Leave/Brexit voters (and for the record, I still think they are morons) but I can see perfectly well why they have voted in the way that they have. Just as those people from the Rust belt have (I'm still puzzled by Texans though, maybe they spend too much time in the sun).

The progressive left seems unable to put forward a good enough alternative that can address the concerns of the every day person without inciting hate. It was never going to be easy with the aforementioned media. The US had Sanders who was betrayed by the system. The UK has Corbyn, a man with all the ideals, some of the policies but cannot get a break from the media to put them across.

To anyone feeling downhearted today I say this: "Keep fighting the good fight, don't succumb where weaker minds have, continue to see through the bullshit you are subjected to by the media and batten the hatches for the next 4 years. We are the future, they are the past. Trump will fuck this up himself, just as May will."

 

Not from me. Hence the quotes...will edit so more apparent. Absolutely 100% NOT my feelings.

 

There are Trump supporters that fall under the umbrella you have laid out for sure ... but I know a lot of people that went Trump last night that are highly educated, some minority/others not, some female/some male - most of whom could have been swayed probably to vote democrat with a different candidate. She was the wrong choice. I don't if Bernie would have won but I wish he got the shot :/

 

Got it. Definitely didn't see the quotes. Sorry, I'm not at my best today.

 

This election is proof that American politics need to be completely revised and reformed. It's unrealistic, and likely not to happen because of the embedded power and wealth, but in reality, this cannot be the best way to conduct electing a president anymore. It may have been acceptable in the past, but this is clear proof that it has to be overhauled. I've always said that a bipartisan system makes no sense and that there should be a wider potential field of candidates on election day. A person like Trump being elected can only hopefully be what opens everyone's eyes to this. It's just a shame that it will come at the price of him failing disastrously which means that people will be hurt/costed in some form in the process.

 

using the quote tags instead of just quote marks also makes it clearer you're quoting something =)

 

See, these are the Trump supporters that I know exist, but I never meet. I desperately want to have a civil conversation with one of these individuals. I really, truly want to understand how they can support him.

 

Trotsky was so prescient on this:


"The gigantic growth of National Socialism is an expression of two factors: a deep social crisis, throwing the petty-bourgeois masses off balance, and the lack of a revolutionary party that would be regarded by the masses of the people as an acknowledged revolutionary leader. If the Communist Party is the party of revolutionary hope, then fascism, as a mass movement, is the party of counterrevolutionary despair”


"Recollections of the “happy” days of free competition, and hazy evocations of the stability of class society; hopes for the regeneration of the colonial empire, and dreams of a shut-in economy...the frenzy of nationalism, and the fear of world creditors... Fascism has opened up the depths of society for politics...What inexhaustible reserves they possess of darkness, ignorance, and savagery! Despair has raised them to their feet fascism has given them a banner. Everything that should have been eliminated from the national organism in the form of cultural excrement in the course of the normal development of society has now come gushing out from the throat; capitalist society is puking up the undigested barbarism. Such is the physiology of National Socialism."

 

Man, I'm taking this a lot harder than I expected. I haven't felt heavy futile depression like this since undergrad. I was planning on heading back to the states to find a more stable career in the next year or two, but now I'm afraid to be in that country as queer person. I'm afraid the violent bigots will be enabled. I'm afraid a Trump Pence administration will dismantle all the progress we've made as an lgbtq+ community. I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where we go from here. and I don't know how to help and organize and work against him from across the Atlantic .

I think I need some time away from the internet to try and distract myself. maybe just focus on my nanowrimo novel and spend time with my boyfriend. Whole thing is fucked.

 

There are many here in Reno. The ones I've talked to all based their support strictly on the disliking of Hillary and or fear of losing their guns haha.

 

At least he is keeping it real. The endorsements from Obama and Clinton were fucking awful.