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Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by KimmyGibbler, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. CoffeeEyes17

    Reclusive-aggressive Prestigious

    This is a good convo I'm glad this is happening
     
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  2. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    Yeah that definitely complicates it. Usually it will just deter me from getting into someone or checking them out. With so much to listen to, why give it the attention.
     
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  3. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    Yup, new artists who are shitheads are completely written off for me, pretty much. The hardest is when you have an artist you love who does something you disagree with, like Ye and the Cosby thing. The shit going on at the time of the release of Pablo turned me off to a lot of the promotion/marketing and is part of the reason why I'm pretty lukewarm on the album, most likely
     
  4. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    Honestly for me, I haven't struggled as much with the separation, though I can absolutely see how someone would. In that case, Kanye's voice as an artist is already so established to me that new material is just an extension of older material and his established canon. I haven't listened to a new Cosby comedy record since allegations came to light. But if I did, I would probably still enjoy it. But had I never listened to either, I probably wouldn't start. If I did, I would try to assess the art as its own entity. But I'm unlikely to put myself in that dilemma. Like, I love glam music, but I don't think I'm ever going to listen to a Gary Glitter album.
     
  5. cherrywaves

    Trusted

    ^Same. Artists that I enjoy that do "problematic" things is a frustrating thing, because while I may irrationally may try to justify the behavior, I end up subconsciously enjoying their work less than I typically do anyway. If anything, it all challenges my thinking, which is helpful.
     
  6. sophos34

    Prestigious Supporter

    Everyone's got their own line to draw. Can't say I enjoy art less when the offense is simply words, depending. When it's an action, an especially egregious one, yeah that'll ruin shit for me. Can't even listen to ignition remix anymore
     
  7. ComedownMachine

    Prestigious Prestigious

    I gotta say I have my own personal line but I do enjoy the conversations around it
     
  8. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I def have my own line and I notice lots of people are more lenient with that line when it's someone they already enjoy. Me too tho. I think that's where I've been grappling lately. Sometimes I just put my hands up like "well I like this artist so it doesn't bother me as much when they do it" which isn't good or fair so I feel bad. But idk it's usually over "smaller" stuff which even just saying smaller stuff I feel bad cause what's small for me may not be for another and idk i grapple with a lot in my head lol. But I'm petty so what I'm grappling with is like "this person was a jerk on twitter"
     
  9. cherrywaves

    Trusted

    I think this is where I stand as a whole. I find myself struggling with a case like Freddie Gibbs too, despite being acquitted. Still feels weird to me
     
  10. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    You also are allowed to draw different lines with defending people and defending their work, too. You don't have to feel bad about that.
     
  11. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I feel bad when my lines are unfair tho lol. Like different standards for different artists, altho like I said it's usually over something petty lol not like rape allegations or something
     
  12. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    Right but in the end, I feel like it's okay to acknowledge that you are not the arbiter of all things. Just because you like something doesn't make you a bad ally or mean that you lack a social conscience. You have to live your life and enjoy things, too. As long as the line doesn't extend to defending gross behavior from individuals because of their art, you don't have to beat yourself up about not always being consistent.

    Whitman, and all. "Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes." Etc.
     
  13. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    I find it messed up they still play him at sporting events
     
  14. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I don't like contradicting myself! Even tho it's inevitable lol.
     
  15. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    can't say that doesn't cross my mind when I think of Fifth Harmony Halsey and 1975, assuming that's what you're talking about
     
  16. Kiana

    Goddamn, man child Prestigious

    I didn't have anything in my head in particular! I mean I won't stop listening to someone cause they say something dumb cause like haven't we all, but admittedly I'm prob harder on artists I don't like or don't listen to. I should be less petty tho lol.
     
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  17. sophos34

    Prestigious Supporter

    I don't have a problem with that really. theres like no details of what happened at all never heard from any victim and from what I saw they were holding him before even charging him which I still don't get? something seemed weird about that whole thing
     
  18. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    I say dumb stuff online on a daily basis!
    But yeah not being petty is tough
     
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  19. Chaplain Tappman Oct 26, 2016
    (Last edited: Oct 26, 2016)
    Chaplain Tappman

    Trusted Prestigious

    Since my post apparently wasn't longneck enough, here's a longer response: that's weird. Who are you to decide it's "posturing"? What would that even mean in this context? He's posturing to attempt to impress...the fans of the band he didn't realize anyone listened to? How would that even work?
     
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  20. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    It's a pose to project "relevance". Like the idea that anything older than last week's BNM is outmoded and you're shocked anyone would listen to it still. It's not posturing to impress the fans of the band. It's posturing to the cool kids about how up-to-date you are.
     
  21. Chaplain Tappman

    Trusted Prestigious

    I think you're probably reading way too much into something that, to me, is usually an expression of personal perception. Like, does anyone still listen to the Millionaires? i don't know. is that "posturing" for me to express that? do people still listen to 3OH!3? or new ja rule? i literally have no clue. and usually, the metrics either aren't available or point to the fact that maybe the number of people still listening is so insignificant as to be essentially no one. if 1,000 people bought/streamed tyga's 'gold album' i think it's fair to say that no one listens to him because for all intents and purposes, that's reality.

    for that matter, who in that conversation would even be impressed by that comment? if it was regarding paramore, it was after half a dozen people all said they like the band still, who's impressed? there are tons of bands worshipped on this corner of the internet that, if i werent a part of it, i would have totally forgotten or assumed no longer had a fanbase like yellowcard or like, idk, boxcar racer.

    i think it's more "posturing" for you to take the route of accusing others of being insincere, fwiw.
     
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  22. cshadows2887

    Hailey, It Happens @haileyithappens Supporter

    Speculating over whether people still listen to bands that aren't being talked about in the current conversation is one thing.

    To say "I didn't think people still listened to them" as a response to a bunch of posts from people who obviously still are listening to them (hence why they're talking about them) is dripping with subtext, no matter how theoretical you want to get about it.
     
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  23. devenstonow

    Noobie

    This is the first time I've ever even thought about the Millionaires in like, at least 6 years lol.

    also reminded me how entertainingly opinionated/unprofessional Wikipedia articles are for random bands
    Millionaires (group) - Wikipedia
     
  24. Chaplain Tappman

    Trusted Prestigious

    Or someone was legitimately surprised and expressing that? It's rare for me to feel like someone else is being overly cynical but I think you might be leaning a little too far in that direction here.
     
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  25. Chaplain Tappman

    Trusted Prestigious

    "Their image and lyrics have generated strong controversy (mainly for using explicit words in nearly all of their songs)"

    lmao
     
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