blink-182 - One More Time… (October 20, 2023) • Page 159

They quietly gave him the boot, correct?

 

Technically he "stepped away from the band", but he's still Vic's brother and they've never publicly condemned what he did, so they still face criticism for not doing more to distance themselves from him.

 

Pierce The Veil was direct support on I Prevail's headliner last year playing 3k-6k cap rooms. There were videos of half of the crowd leaving after PTV almost every night, the walkout was insane. They always drew, but they're bigger than ever now I'd say

 

got 6 budget (50$) tix in lexington...4 kids means no floor ever for me

 

Look, I'm not a Pitchfork defender and I am wary of how they've retconned pop-punk but seriously grow up. They've reviewed both the Skiba-era records and I believe gave them better reviews.

It's an absolute dud outside of "Turpentine" and the new wave song.

 

Oh fuck Jason needs to grow up. Oh fuck

 

Grow up? What? That doesn't even make any sense in context of my post.

And they gave both of those records virtually the exact same score as this (and I have the same complaints about those reviews I do this one) ...? What are you even talking about?

Like, sorry it doesn't work for you, but I feel like "seriously, grow up" is the advice you should take if you're gonna reply to me like this.

 

Also she's right that Dogs Eating Dogs is pretty good and it's a bummer they decided to memory hole it.

 

Your posts are bad and you should feel bad

 

I have the same reaction whenever people go after critics. I apologize for using that phrase, you're right.

 

Needle Plop dude is on here????

 

This is "going after critics"?

It reads like someone got assigned the review on Friday and had a weekend to come up with why it’s only ok cause they’re Pitchfork. Line by line exactly as expected heh. Cold and never telling me how the music makes the author feel.

The first line I'm pretty certain is true because I don't think they were sent an advance of the album. The second and third are absolutely true, it's as I expected and it's cold and never actually talks about how the music makes them feel. How is that "going after" anyone?

 

I hate to say it, but I think the only thing I really like about "When We Were Young" is Mark's verse. That one just doesn't do it for me for some reason. It's just kinda whatever. Definitely what I'd consider a filler track, especially since "Childhood" is on here, and some other songs that mention being young/getting old.

 

100% agree with your comment, specially this part.

I feel like big media sites / channels / podcasts have their own fixed editorial lines and they’ll twist album reviews and interviews to fit that “agenda” instead of approaching to it open minded. Not surprised blink / other big artists stopped talking to press.

 

The unfortunate reality is the incentives are just not setup for anything but that these days. Like, you can't tell me that screenshot wasn't picked exactly to illicit a reaction from people to get them to watch. I dunno, whatever, I don't care that much about stuff I have no interest in watching/reading, but I do feel like we lost something when there's no real space for what we used to call "blogs." People just writing/talking passionately about things that they cared about. Everything's either trying to be Mr. Beast on YT or it's social media posts.

Grandpa/clouds/kids these days/ya ya ya ... all that. I just feel like we're missing something these days that I don't think we'll ever get back.

 

i'm guessing they hold some tix for other presales/general? ..but it looks like the MKE show has already sold pretty well. also figuring there's a big contingent of IL people who are waiting to see if they're playing Lolla. would be sweet if it was Riot instead since i always go to that one.. did Lolla once and i'll never go again haha

 

I think @Craig Manning and I might be the only people that still have a longing for that though. I get the feeling everyone else is cool with reaction videos and the TikTok trends that have become this generation's version. I keep getting fed four lines of an opinion about something that's half inflammatory over someone nodding in a video/reel in the algorithm and I feel so old.

 

Funny, Mark's verse is my least favorite part of that song.
But it's also my least favorite song on the album. Not a terrible song, but feels like the "Teenage Satellites" of this album.

 

Totally! I agree with that

 

Yeaaaah, not gonna lie, I get super discouraged by what constitutes music writing these days, or even music podcasting in most cases. Most of it is just so surface level and boring. I read a few Pitchfork reviews last weekend (the Rolling Stones one and the Holly Humberstone one) and they both reminded me of writing that I did when I was young and had to churn out a shit ton of content just to make a few bucks. I could not figure out any reason that the writers would have wanted to put pen to paper other than getting a $50 check from Pitchfork. Which is fine! Gotta eat. But I see so little passion in most music writing anymore -- even for big albums that get really positive scores -- that I've mostly just stopped reading it.

I loved reading your piece and seeing the positive response to it, because it was an affirmation that there is an appetite for that kind of thing among at least some subset of listeners. And I feel some of that whenever I write an album review or a retrospective and get some positive response. But the number of people who consistently engage with that kind of thing is definitely less than it used to be, and Twitter completely collapsing into Elon Musk's cesspool has not helped.

Even on year-end lists, which still seem to be something that people will click on, I rarely see anyone expressing any actual human feelings about how an album impacted them personally. It's all cultural narrative and critical consensus. I feel like we've done a lot of harm to music writing by trying to take journalistic objectivity and apply it in a place where it simply does not work.

 

This has been my feeling for a while too when I read, unfortunately, most things online. It's a checkbox of needing to have produced something and someone doing it, often it feels, for that reason alone. I don't want to be cynical about it and I don't blame the author, like you said freelance writing is fucking hard, but I do blame the entire system and the incentives that lead to it.

This is also very true. Not only about people finding it, but I dunno how much of an audience there is for it anyway. Looking at those NeedleDrop numbers, 88k views already. The review I wrote did about half that so far (even though my tweet has 85k views on it (I don't trust Elon's stats)). That's the most views on a review by far on the site for the year, by a big margin, and still not even close to a YouTube video. As someone that likes reading (and writing) words, that's interesting to think about and really does show the future of it all. Dunno, for me it's all about wanting something to exist in the world and doing it for me, to know that it exists and it's part of my history, and then hoping someone else somewhere is moved by it or it reaches them too.

End of year lists are so odd to me. Beyond coming out before Thanksgiving, I get the same feeling sometimes of missing the human connection to it ... I don't know why that is, but I do think it's hard to shake the "content farm" feeling of a lot of it. Get it out, check the box, move to the next. Push numbers push numbers, push numbers.

Again, trying not to be cynical. But I spent over a month writing that review, hours and hours and weeks of time went into listening, thinking, writing, researching, writing, talking it out with Hannah, finding a theme, exploring why I felt how I felt, thinking about context of my history and the band's history ... and then someone pops in front of a camera after a day with it and is like "Solid 5" and it's hard not to just be like yeah, my version of writing and thinking about music is dead.

 

There is still some good writing out there. The Pitchfork retrospective reviews are typically worth a read

 

For the last few years I always dedicate a five day work week in December to counting down my top 50 via Instagram stories, 10 records per day. And each slide has a blurb/song clip - they’re not always that deep or meaningful, but I can tell the attempt to engage and actually talk about why a record worked for me even for just 5-6 sentences is something people appreciate and feel they don’t see enough of. Despite my inner voice telling me that I’m just annoying my audience and that no one cares, I always get super positive responses at the end of the week and people asking for a playlist, offering their own recommendations, rapping with me about records from the list, etc. I think people largely crave an earnest take more than they realize, even on a small scale

 

We had a good thread on the future of music writing either at the end of AP or the beginning of chorus. I felt like I made it, and I can’t seem to find it, so it might’ve been AP

 

You guys should start a music website!