Jimmy Eat World - Integrity Blues (October 21, 2016) Album • Page 92

This is just going too far now and I'm unsure what the point even is

 

Besides, if this were nearly as big a factor as it's being made out to be, I'd like Clarity much much more than I do

 

Idk, I heard for ages how Futures and Clarity were the best albums by this band and didn't really enjoy either. CTL on the other hand I hadn't heard such great things about which is one of the reasons it took me so long to check that one out and when I finally did I liked it way more than anything else id heard by this band.

I think if anything, albums having a huge amount of praise or hate actually goes the other way more often than not. People are either disappointed that an album doesn't live up to the hype or pleasantly surprised it's not as bad as they'd heard it was.

 

It's not a big factor on an individual level, but its effect becomes significant when considering an aggregate of the whole population, I'm quite certain.

I just wanted to have a discussion about psychology and about trying to understand the landscape of public music opinions. I'm sure if it wasn't interpreted as a hostile thing (and it wasn't intended as such) then it wouldn't ever escalate to the point where it's "going too far".

 

See, it's stuff like this that gets me. Condescension and insinuating that we ARENT thinking about your ridiculous points is the reason you get so much flak

 

Yeah you might be right there. There are definitely cases where something can be overhyped and some peoples' negative opinions could almost be exacerbated because of the reactive nature of it not being as good as expected. I'm sure it all plays into it. Whether or not the feed-forward outweighs the feed-back or vice versa is an interesting thought.

 

Maybe me insinuating that was a subconscious reaction to you insulting me? I'll never know.

 

I've yet to insult you, although you've insulted me on many occasions. You're insulting us with your condescending responses

 

Again, I understand what you are saying. You don't have to keep explaining it to me. I'm trying to tell you why people haven't taken kindly to your posts. And ultimately, what does the psychology of it matter? I think what you're talking about can absolutely influence which JEW albums people check out first, but I think true die-hard fans (which most of the people in here are) will still go back to those early albums and give them a try with an open mind eventually.

 

Happy release week everyone!

 

Also, there are so many factors that can influence how you feel about an album anyway, from how old you were when you first heard it to what was going on in your life at that time to how it was recommended to you to what kind of music you like in the first place. There are a lot of reasons, probably, why those older albums don't resonate with people around here the same way Futures or Chase This Light do, and I honestly think the psychology of how other people receive those albums is pretty low on the list. That's just me.

 

All fair points.

 

If you're allowed to decide which of my comments are insulting to you then I'm allowed to decide which of your comments are insulting to me. And we can leave it at that.

 

Totally on board with this

 

That's now how insulting comments work? When you attack someone, you don't then get to decide that you didn't. You've insulted me both in this thread and in my inbox. All I've said to you is to quit being condescending and acting like you're on the intellecutual high ground because I and other disageee with an album you like.

 

I don't doubt that.

In case I haven't been clear enough on this. I consider the wider community of music fans (ie. the entire internet) to be influencees, and the people on chorus.fm to be influencers. My point from the start was not that people on this forum had biased opinions, or were under any influence, my point was that people on this forum are influential enough to have an effect on passers-by and newcomers (to the site or the band in general). And given that this forum by chance leans more towards putting SP towards the bottom of the list than the top, then I wanted to present the other opinion in hopes that the chance gathering of people not liking SP that much didn't encourage newcomers to not check it out. I know people on here are die-hard fans and I'm not suggesting, and never have suggested, that any of these opinions are in any way less valuable than mine.

That was my point from the start. My point this time around was not really about this site at all, it was more about general phenomena when it comes to music opinions.

But I've explained this all so much that if people don't like to believe that their opinion could be influential then that's fine, whatever. I really never suggested that any fans on this site had invalid opinions or were influenced by others.

 

If anyone needs some new JEW-related music while we impatiently wait for the new album, check out this tribute album we put together awhile back:

 

Accurate

 

I rank SP toward the bottom because I don't really care for the more abrasive sound of that record. I'd still absolutely recommend JEW fans to listen to it, but it would probably be the last album I'd recommend because it's my least favorite and I don't think it has that much in common with any of their records save Clarity. I would not recommend the self-titled album, personally, but if you want to make a case for it, that's cool too. I understand that my opinion can be influential and I don't take that for granted. But I also am not going to give something I don't love a full recommendation, and I think that holds true for other people as well. So while I understand what you're saying, I ultimately think the point is moot.

 

It should not be difficult to understand why people who like jimmy eat world's pop rock music might be turned off by Jimmy eat world's borderline post hardcore music. It sounds like a completely different band

 

I don't disagree with any of that. My original intentions with this topic was to give a recommendation for people to check out Static Prevails (not necessarily to check it out first, but at least to give it a go). And I felt that because, by chance, this site didn't contain as many Static fans as I am used to in other communities, I had to "shout" a little louder for the pro-Static opinion to be heard by newcomers/lurkers, if that makes sense? I think people misunderstood me as suggesting that the fans on this site had been influenced and were biased, which I never intended to be my message... I was actually suggesting that newcomers/lurkers could be influenced by the opinions that are represented on this board, and wanted to add a pro-Static opinion to the pool.

Any opinions that are on this board or from die-hard fans, I never suggested were biased. I only suggested that the sampling of die-hard fans that appear on this board skew, by random chance, towards not really liking Static, and I wanted to "balance" that out a bit.

We can keep going round in circles on this. I'm hoping that people get where I'm coming from and realise I'm not trying to insult anyone on this board or be derisive of peoples opinions on this board.

 

Not trying to insult anyone means nothing when you actually insult people

 

Maybe this board tends towards not liking Static as much as some other boards because this board is usually populated by fans of pop-rock/pop-punk, whereas other boards are usually populated by fans of post-hardcore/emo? That could be the case. It may not be a random sampling of fans, it could be because of the demographic that Chorus.fm appeals to.

 

this conversation is just making me want to re-listen to the self titled album... ha