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ACAB

 

Anyway "The Kims having full control" doesn't even make sense, if the war concludes with a unified Korea without outside intervention Kim Il Sung probably doesn't even end up in charge. Silly silly nonsense

 

youre both fools. The Kims would have full control either way. They do now. Go to the peninsula and you will find thousands, millions of Kims there.

 

Oh one hundred percent and my point when I said that was the problem is with the bad therapist not the individual who seeks therapy in a genuine way only to get someone that backs up their worst impulses and validates their abuse

 

I have a problem where if someone has an avatar of a character I know, I read their posts in that voice. So all of this North Korea stuff has been, in my head, from the voice of Robot Devil and it's hard not to chuckle at least a little haha

 

i plan on trying to corrupt my therapist. it's just small passion project of mine.

 

Welp, was gonna say hope he’s getting the Assata Shakur treatment, but he’s probably getting better than he and all US occupying soldiers deserve.

 

Starting to think the us military might be full of hateful, racist people

 

yes I do! And he was so awful the South Koreans eventually rose up against him and forced him out. And they basically went through that cycle for another 30ish years iirc, and now they’re doing pretty good. Meanwhile, in North Korea…

 

… they face 7 decades of collective punishment under siege by the biggest imperialist power to have ever existed.

this of course plays no role in the character and quality of the state.

 

you assume the US staying out of it means others stay out as well. I mean both the US and Soviets were already there!

 

When did the Soviet occupation leave and when did the US occupation leave?

 

David Dayen doing good work here, he has been also been critical/pushing the Biden admin to use the HEA for student loan debt.

 

I hope people read my posts in Dasha Nekrasova’s voice.

 

The Soviets were not "there" when the war started, the Chinese were there, the Soviets were never officially "there" throughout the whole war. Stalin was against the war on peninsula and pushed for its delay several times. In the period directly after WW2 the USSR had hopes for reconciliation and was not operating on a cold war footing until after ~1950. The People's Committees formed between 45-50 in the north existed concurrently with the Soviet occupation government as they did in the south, except in the north they weren't all slaughtered after the end of the formal occupation in 48. Eventually, Stalin gave in to indigenous Korean demands to be allowed to cross the arbitrary border drawn by the US at the 38th to stop the slaughter of their comrades.

 

I never said it didn’t. But I find the assumption the Kim’s would have run the country differently, or perhaps been deposed, to be just an assumption/some alternative history wishful thinking. I mean, Sung was already calling himself Dear Leader before the war even started! Juche came about shorty after the war so he already went about isolating the country even from allies. It’s hard to assume it wouldn’t have gone extreme dictatorship from the get go, IMO, regardless of US involvement in the war. Based off of where the two country’s are at today, wishing the north won and unified the country seems like a bad wish based on assumptions of how it would have gone differently if they had. It seems just as likely that they could have failed economic reforms and war with another country could have come to pass and further crippled it for decades ala Vietnam. Why not predict that instead?

 

I have talked about it a few times in here, but my wife and I have been looking for a home for what seems like forever. Thought we found our dream home last October, but we pulled our offer following the home inspection. Since then, market has been beyond desert dry. Have only looked at one home in person in 9 months and that house went for $90K over asking.

We finally bit the bullet and met with a builder for the first time ever yesterday. This builder is reputable, but generally perceived as the 'cheapest' builder-option in our area. After a 2-hour meeting they quoted us (roughly) $521K for a 2,400 sq ft house on not even .25 acres of land…

Man, I am defeated.

 

The soviets were there immediately after the war just like the US was. My point was it was silly to assume no other countries would get involved come 1950 if the US had just stayed out. The soviets were already there for years post-war, they could just as easily gone back if things weren’t working out in their favor or they didn’t like which communists were getting power or etc, and the Chinese could have as well. It’s a lot of alt-history wish-casting going on right now.

also wasn’t the 38th the line agreed upon at the Moscow conferences? Calling it “US drawn” seems silly

 

Sung was called "Great Leader" because well.. he was a great legendary guerrilla fighter against Imperialist Japan in occupied north China (including the Korean comprado's whose leadership would go on to constitute the ROK government.) His son Jong is "Dear Leader.

The thing about your prediction is that it completely ignores my argument that it is being a country under siege is what creates a garrison state. What would a unified Korean state look like if millions didn't die and the population didn't undergo a bombing so bad the only comparison I can think of is the "Book of Revelations?" Probably not a liberal democracy, which still would not be good enough in the eyes of the west.

And uh, who crippled Vietnam for decades?

 

The other side killed 100,000 Koreans in 5 years before the war started