Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson, December 15, 2017) Movie • Page 389

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The Last Jedi just showed that so many people did not understand Luke Skywalker at all.

 

The Last Jedi was...solid. It had some amazing moments, some aspects I loved...and then some really, really bad stuff (Captain Phasma, Snoke, Mary Poppins in space, the Rose and Finn side-plot, Finn being inexplicably saved by Rose at the end).

Still way better than The Rise of Skywalker though.

 

The Last Jedi is great overall, but the throne room scene and the holdo maneuver are two of the coolest looking shots in all of Star Wars. Also the teaser trailer that ended with Luke saying, “it’s time… for the Jedi to end” was the best teaser trailer ever.

 

I just don't buy the idea that Luke could get so Debbie Downer about the Jedi that he'd actively want the order to end

 

His father was failed by the Jedi while simultaneously allowed Palpatine to takeover and spread evil throughout the entire galaxy. The two Jedi he met during his training were both a part of that failure. Kenobi failed Anakin. Yoda failed the galaxy. They then both insist that he must kill his father to complete his training. Both were wrong and if he had listened to them, it may have ended with him falling to the dark side or his death allowing Palpatine to continue his rule. Despite all of that, he leans into the classic Jedi ways and attempts to restart it and is caught up with his own ego and pride of being this grand master Jedi that he helps push his nephew into darkness and destruction. Truly don’t know why anyone would think he would be a big fan of the Jedi at that point. And now that we know he meets Ahsoka, he has learned how they absolutely failed her, too. Like, ultimately, the Jedi way is still good, but we truly see massive failures of theirs in the movies.

 

it did have a strong visual. i saw this the other day lol.

 

One my all time favorite theater moments was when I saw this in IMAX and during the Holdo moment it was dead silent. Then one guy said “holy shit!” Due to the silence everyone could hear it and he was right. That was the appropriate reaction.

 

Is the failure of certain Jedi to do things equate to them being bad? Like, because of Jedi way X, leads to bad result Y? To me it just seems like they weren't good enough. These things you mention, to me, don't come close to the idea of the Jedi way being BAD/EVIL, so therefore "it must end". To me it just meant the Jedi had to try harder, to improve their ways.

 

every few months I send a text to one of my friends that just says "Hey man remember the throne room scene from The Last Jedi?"

 

I think it helps to just replace the word “Jedi” with “I” in all of Luke’s speeches. It’s his personal doubts and failures he’s lamenting and he’s only saying “It’s time for the Jedi to end” because he feels he’s the last one and has already failed.

 

Jyn should have been Rey's mom

 

As far as Disney, yes. Well said.

 

Star Wars is so much better when we get the OG trilogy out of the picture entirely when we're talking about new stuff. It's why Mandalorian has been the best show and Rogue One the best movie.

 

This is one of mine as well. I had a similar experience, except it was a a 5 year old kid saying “wow” and my friend and I giggling because we were blown away

only Star Wars movie (since the originals) that gives me that feeling that movies are magic and exist to excite and challenge your imagination, not reinforce it

 

I think Dodge nailed it here:

because you’re actually not wrong in that, yes, that is what the Jedi had to do. They have to improve their ways and grow and that was Luke’s final lesson from Yoda who also understands this very clearly:

“The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond.”

So you’ve actually nailed it with your expressed frustration. It’s just Luke who needed to learn that rather than allowing the sorrow to consume him and he finally does in the end.

“Skywalker, still looking to the horizon. Never here, now, hmm? The need in front of your nose.”

 

Hard disagree, I just don't buy Luke giving up so easily especially after reading the now disregarded canon books which did a way better Luke than the sequels (even Mark Hamill openly expressed this).

 

im fine with characters failing and find it MUCH more interesting. generally, with anything else, the trick is having a good script for it and being believable at it.

 

I would submit that JJ didn’t know what to do with Luke/didn’t think he could satisfy the fan base so he decided to shelf Luke for someone else to figure out. For that reason, incredibly grateful to Rian for giving a coherent answer as to why Luke isn’t there in VII even if it wasn’t received well by some. Because if it’s the Luke straight from VI, he sure as hell would’ve been there for Han at the end.

 

My theater had warning posters all around that said the silence was intentional and they wouldn’t be offering refunds for it. I always wondered what idiots complained lol, it’s like 5 seconds long

 

I like Rogue One just fine, but I don’t really feel like there’s anything super special about it. Kind of think it’s overrated in the Star Wars fandom at this point. Whereas TLJ does legitimately exciting and subversive things with the franchise. Definitely the best of the post-Lucas stuff.

 

yep.

 

I thought Rogue One was intruiging and exciting (that 3rd act especially), and felt very un-Disney like, which I appreciated a lot. It felt more serious, which is what I’m attracted to more

 

To the contrary, I feel like Rogue One’s faults are the result of Disney’s tinkering. Where it felt like Disney was mostly hands off with TLJ, possibly because Rian Johnson was already an established writer-director, it felt like they hacked a little too deep into Rogue One’s story, to the point where it felt like it was missing a reel.