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Let's just all agree that " you can call us Aaron Burr from the way we're dropping Hamiltons" is the best rap about Hamilton

 

http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/talib-kweli-analyzes-hamilton.html

http://themuse.jezebel.com/my-year-with-lin-manuel-miranda-or-how-to-find-a-hip-1748739548

 

It's not a rich ppl phenomenon because the disgustingly uberrich titans of industry who built their fortunes on child labor, monopolies, strike breaking and any number of other worker exploiting policies have allowed the poor kids fo see it out of the kindness of their heart

Lol

 

To say that Hamilton has only been experienced by the cultural elite in and around Manhattan is willfully ignorant though. There are plenty of reasons to deride it sure. But that's not one of them.

 

lol jesus christ dude. calm down. did someone piss in your cereal this morning or what?

cool, some kids in nyc will get to see it. it's still not actually accessible to anyone outside of the elite. if it costs thousands of dollars to see a musical exclusively in nyc then its not actually tangible or real for 99.9% of americans

 

hahahahahaha yes it is, tickets cost 5000+ dollars

 

It's all about the Hamiltons, baby!

 

Weren't you just complaining this morning about people putting saracastic lol's in their posts? Or was that Ben? Either way both of you just did it in back to back posts.

 

I'm pretty sure it's also a hit among the Godless Hollywood liberal types.

 

At the beginning and now they don't and even at its peak the tickets for the back of the theater cost 700-1000 and that was because the main cast members were announced as leaving soon which is a phenomenon that happens with all Broadway original casts.

 

You're arguing about this from a place of willful ignorance. Which is fine. But don't actually holier than thou about your knowledge when you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about or how it has or hasn't helped people.

 

hm, one rapper analyzes technical ability and one person who isnt a rap critic writes about it, useful

here is what actual rap critics have had to say about it, which is still inadequate because no publication has paid for a ticket and actually assigned them the show to cover :

 

I really hope the cameras catch the look on his face when Corbyn wins on Saturday

 

What about the Roots/Questlove and other groups who have co-signed on the impact the musical has had on them? I just think it's pretty petty of you to sit in here all day and cast judgement on things you have practically zero knowledge about and I think that's a really counterproductive method of criticism.

Questlove on 'Hamilton' and Hip-Hop: It Takes One

 

i pointed out that loling at a black man's thoughts on possible ramifications of a trump presidency is gauche. i'm lol'ing at you because you just lost your shit because someone said something kind of negative about a musical you like.

yes, a 2 hour musical that costs 700 dollars minimum is 'accessible," this is not a ridiculous perspective at all

no im arguing this from the pov of "something that costs hundreds of dollars and only happens in one city is not a cultural phenomenon," because it isn't, pretty much by definition.

 

good rappers can have bad taste, see: kanye signing tyga

i made a passing comment about how certain things oversaturate media outlets because of a combination of factors. i didnt even call hamilton bad! i maybe said something that could be construed as slightly negative.

 

It doesn't just happen in one city though. It is now happening in Chicago and is starting soon in LA and San Francisco and is going on tour next year as well, and you can't just ignore the fact that the soundtrack also exists and has been discussed intently by audiences as well.

And I brought up the tickets at the highest point in part as a concession to you, in that yes at that moment in time during the peak of its popularity it was inaccessible to large swathes of the population, but wasn't completely inaccessible to everyone except the cultural elite as you argued. It was accessible both to low income students as I pointed out but also to a group of 100 people a day in what is the largest ticket lottery in the history of Broadway because they want people to see this play and make their own judgements on it, instead of speaking from a place of ignorance about it from a message board.

 

Okay.

Aaron Burr was a two faced dickwad and Hamilton is the greatest founding father outside of maybe Benny Frank to not be President.

 

okay, so almost a year after the media collectively lost its goddamn mind over it, it is now finally going to be in other cities. the soundtrack exists but it is still a musical...which entails visuals? it's like listening to the audio of a movie and saying you had the full experience.

wow, a full hundred people a day? at that rate it would only take a measly 8,000 years for every american to see it! they gave those tickets to students, and conduct the lottery the manner they do, for PR. as in: make more money. please listen to cam'ron for the first time in your life and leave me alone about this

 

One last thing yes 100 people a day, plus the kids every Wednesday or whatever from the lower income schools. 100 people out of a 2,000 seat theater. That is a substantial amount. Would you like them to just fill the entire theater with 10 dollar tickets? Would that make it more redeemable to you? Of course they want to make a profit, it's a commercial entity. But that doesn't mean it can't have a tangible positive cultural impact.

And now someone is going to come in here and say my advocating for Hamilton, or at least defending it against people who disparage it without knowing the first thing about it, is distracting from the larger topics and issued to be discussed in here. And in part, their probably right, so I'll bow out since in the ultimate scheme of an election year whether or not someone likes the musical that I like doesn't matter at all so I'm out of here.

 

Honestly I think an America where Franklin had been president would look much different, not least because for that to happen some huge extenuating circumstance would have had to have existed. I imagine a much more laid back, boozy, less sexually repressed country

 

franklin...uhhh......flew a kite and he uhhh discovered lightning

 

Had a lot of STDs