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Interesting link. Good stuff. Can I ask why did you decided to post the tweets? Are they your tweets or just some person's assessment? n/m I've been drinking.

 

haha. nbd. picked a couple interesting ones.

 

I hate that NH number.

 

Same, but on the brightside, that shows she's also still in range in Georgia and Arizona.

 

And when third parties are included she actually loses NV

 

In follow up news: Donald Trump has no black friends.

 

how is this not a a weird twitter tweet

 

still need to sit down and actually read through all of their responses. but took a glance at the climate change question thought it was particularly telling about the nature of each candidate

Hillary: Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our time
Trump: There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.”
Johnson: <silence>
Stein: Climate change is the greatest existential threat that humanity has ever faced.

Stein gets it, Hillary sorta gets it but not quite. Johnson who knows and fuck Trump

seriously each time I read Trump's answer to that question I get more and more annoyed. its like he said

 

how does it feel to be the oppressor class

 

Here's a question I've been toying with in my mind, and I apologize if it's already been brought up in this thread. I follow loosely, but I'm not about to go through ~430 pages to check...

We all (at least here) seem to agree that the political system needs to be overhauled. That's evidenced by the fact that the system has provided us with two flawed candidates who are poor options and thoroughly disliked.

<brace for generalizations>

Basically, we can all agree that Hillary is better for the next four years than Trump, but she would more or less maintain the status quo which many of us acknowledge to be a flawed system. Trump would make some sweeping changes, most all for the negative, but could Trump be the better option long-term? Would electing the train wreck that is Trump further expose the flaws in our system, thereby encouraging more people to jump on the overhaul bandwagon during the next election cycle? To be more direct, do things have to get worse before they get better - is Trump the necessary evil that will catalyze the populace?

 

When you play with fire, you're gonna get burned. Hoping a dangerous candidate like Trump catalyzes some massive change is a pretty long shot to take.

 

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i think you'll find that even the most dissatisfied among us don't really go for accelerationism. Personally, I think it's inhumane.

 

And Clinton might be bad enough to cause an overhaul without putting a fascist in office

 

Factoid that may be of interest to comrades @Wharf Rat and @Dominick: in less than four months, the FEC reporting exemption for donors of the Social Workers Party expires. If not renewed, contributions to the party will become public data. As of 2012, they only have approximately 120 annual donors and the exemption has been in place for 40 years. However, its most recent extension saw slightly increasing resistance, and, with the legitimate burgeoning of the American far left and the (spurious no doubt) surge of Bernie Sanders' "Democratic Socialism" misnomer, I think we'll start seeing real opposition to the exemption.

 

i think like dom said, a close race or a landslide, Trump's voters won't care - they'll buy into a rigged election idea or even if they accept they lost - there will still be this ball of hate that cannot be magically removed following a Trump loss. i don't believe even a landslide loss will change that.

 

And that's all before looking at the supreme court, international relations, and quite a few other concerns that "burning it down" would create. I'd also argue the point that real lives are at stake — looking at the transgender community for one, here's a good tweet storm that really brought that feeling home for me yesterday:

I have on one side quite a few people saying: this will hurt us very badly, and I don't think, personally, I'd be able to look at someone and say, "I understand, but I'm sorry, I thought it would get much better by doing it this way." I just can't.

 

I don't like to overly generalize. But I'm about to — I don't think I agree in totality. This is pure speculation — but I think that a group of those supporters would do just that. See it as a rigged election and flip out no matter what. I think that the closer the election is, the more that an idea it was "rigged" comes into play, pulling more into that camp. Now, I also think that a group of people are extremely hateful and that's not going to go away, but I do think the electorate saying, resoundingly: we reject this — would go a long way. It doesn't get removed, but it does show that the country rejects those ideas. I think, again, that there would still be a lot of issues, that the Bannons and Alex Jones of the world will still cause harm and stoke the fires of prejudice — but if they win, and the electorate vindicates those beliefs and in many cases violent actions, I, without anything besides just a thought in the wind, worry that is worse.

I think there's a cascading level of shittiness, but a resounding defeat limits, even if it's minimally, that more than the other available options.

 

Yea if you look back at WWII when there was a radical catalyst we responded by dropping nuclear bombs on a country. There are real people continuing to suffer at the whims of his supporters before we vote. Further legitimizing such fucked glorification of hate by electing him would end lives....lives of people who have already been dealing with being hated, oppressed, and killed for literally centur...millennia. I can't fathom how willfully forcing them to "hang in there for a bit longer" while we pander to bigoted, hateful people could be a net positive. On top of that, if he were to win and it does trigger something, those same already-oppressed people are going to be targeted with even more prejudice. We can't sarcastically elect Trump to protest wealthy, white, cishet males.

 

The hypocrisy of Tony La Russa, the sort of white man Adam Jones talked about fearing and understandably so.

 

Robert Reich said something about this