Accountability in Music • Page 607

Well, then my suggestion of archiving the thread still stands. Don't delete it, just close it down and archive it.

 

Yes, or tweets that like, come in mid-thread and have no immediate identifying information about who it's referencing. That information shouldn't be buried.

 

Now this post is part of the problem too because it’s so vague that anyone could read it and think that it doesn’t apply to them, but to the others who they don’t like. Name names. Air your grievances.

 

See this conversation is already devolving into shitposts and dunks so my point is only being further reinforced

 

I think if it needs context, then it can be added, like “RE: Victim of Assault Responding to Marilyn Manson,” etc. so people don’t have to wade thorough old tweets to get to it.

But yeah, if we can’t agree on the idea of just having a place to put those things, even without discussion, then just throw it all to the artist or albums thread and shut this down. We can’t agree and it’s lost its function.

 

I mean this is the real true root. The community on here has linked inside jokes and cliques and 5-10 year old grudges with accountability in a way that's incredibly harmful and problematic. There is no objectivity in these discussions when people are always looking for a way to get digs in or are searching for bad faith in arguments. That toxicity runs deep and will probably never leave, regardless of if this thread gets archived.

 

I wasn’t saying that to be cheeky, to be clear. If someone is going to say that they have a problem with something someone else did, they should actually say it and have it addressed rather than vaguely referencing it and, idk, hope that others will just intuitively know what they’re talking about? The latter is what a lot of posts on the past page have been doing, and scrolling through it, it is not super clear to me what exact issues a lot of people have with the thread because they aren’t giving an actual frame of reference.

 

You have the power. Let it burn

 

But your comments are half the drama :(

 

Come on. How is this helping at all?

 

Case and point.

 

Right my point exactly, how is this helpful in any capacity.

 

I’m just gonna make a final plea that this thread should serve as a repository for allegations and posts about problematic behavior from artist, with context when it’s needed and sans commentary. I’m not going into Blink or Front Bottoms or Neck Deep forums, but I would like to know if they’re doing bad shit that would be cause for people to avoid them and I would prefer without the dunks or snark.

If others don’t want that, it’s fine. But I can’t see this functioning in any other way that’s healthy at this point.

 

Yepp, agreed. I've said what I needed to say, nothing else to add at the risk of inviting further personal attacks in a thread designed to raise awareness.

 

Because we go through this all the fucking time and the people who constantly complain are the ones who start the shit in the first place. This is not an accountability thread. Never has been, never will be. Because the second the opportunity comes to jump on your high horse, certain users jump on it. Congratulations you’re socially conscious and love telling bands to fuck off so you can get a big ole pat on the back. Wow so much justice. I know I’m not the only one who loves to watch everyone argue because it never goes anywhere.

 

It doesn’t sound like this thread is for you.

 

I'm genuinely curious - If you're already avoiding them, what good is it to know more? Doesn't it just make you more angry when you're already doing as much as you can do to avoid them?

Perhaps this thread isn't for me either anymore.

 

Honestly think the best action is to close this puppy up and take the convos to individual artist threads.

 

if there is literally anything worth getting on a high horse about it's denouncing literal sexual predators / abusers / racists

 

Again, I guess my resolution stands at “maybe we just don’t need to always comment.”

 

i like the idea of basically a news dump thread only but, i dont think theres a way you can enable posting articles and tweets and restricting further commenting, so what it would come down to is this thread needing constant dedicated mod supervision. idk who wants that job lol

 

Because I have friends involved with the scene and know those that still listen to them that aren’t as privy to things like allegations made against some of these bands. And sometimes it’s bands I haven’t heard before that I’ll note that I want to avoid. It’s not a posturing thing, I just don’t want to support bands with problematic behavior.

 

The difference is when you want the “call outs” to benefit yourself versus for the survivors / victims of those awful things. It’s great to bring awareness to issues, nobody is arguing against that. The problem lies when you exploit those horrible things so you can show everyone how much of a good person YOU are.

 

I feel like in certain threads, people have done a decent job of policing what is and isn’t talked about. It might take some time, but I feel like it could work.

 

Only problem on taking these convos to the actual artist thread is you’re definitely gonna get pushback from the ones that don’t give a shit and only come to talk about music. Lose lose scenario.