Tour Prediction and Speculation Thread [ARCHIVED] Tour • Page 1437

I'm going to try to will this into existence....Charli XCX at Boston Calling 2022

 

this is a pretty sick bill and I could see the tour that Converge has been hyping being them, Napalm and Pig Destroyer, which would be nuts.

 

Pretty stoked to see these 2022 lineups and to see what fests Pavement is playing.

 

I’m so excited for the Pavement tour. Hope we get kids dates soon!

 

It isn't gonna be with Piggy D. They legitimately haven't done a proper tour in over 15 years and only play one offs nowadays because they have real jobs.

 

Beach Bunny added a show for Chicago on 12/18

 

Damn that Primavera Sound line up is insane. I know someone in Barcelona, I really should try to go.

 

Gwen Stefani Vegas residency

 

The tiring “tours and shows won’t be happening this year” know it all crowd has gone very, very silent.

 

ABR dates

 

To be fair, a lot of that was predicated on achieving some level of herd immunity with vaccinations at a > 70% level. We are still not even at a 50% rate nationally yet for people reaching single doses yet. You could make the argument we are still opening up too early if you look at the numbers.

It's a tightwire balancing act at the moment that's dependent on things trending in the right direction by the fall for a lot of what's being announced now. Things are subject to change especially in blue states.

Clarifying edit: 50% overall for national population including kids. We're at 61.5% overall for adults.

COVID Data Tracker

 

I've been more hopeful since the new CDC mask guidelines. Plus I was able to have my graduation after it being delayed once or twice a year ago. I could still see there being some sort of safety measures put in place, such as proof of vaccination and ID. I could also see international bands not coming over still. Like if In Flames or Gojira dropped off their respective tours it wouldn't be shocking to me.

 

Ugh, how many singles need to tank before she realizes Gen Z couldn’t be less interested in her genre-chasing singles.

Just give us the No Doubt reunion tour we all want.

 

There is a nagging voice I have that thinks we're all jumping the gun a bit early on this but I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to get into a situation where we stall out on vaccination rates yet still have, say, the Lollapalooza festival in July which then turns into a super spreader and then all the bands/promoters have to scramble yet again to cancel/postpone all these tours announced.

 

ACL is sold out. Meanwhile Lollapalooza hasnt change tiers since the day they went on sale

 

Opening the economy and dropping face mask/physical distancing protocols is one thing. Jamming 1800 people into a small venue - or 60,000 people into a festival setting - is a completely different thing.

Just because shows are being announced/happening, doesn’t mean they *should* happen. There are also plenty of tours that are still being pushed to 2022 due to safety precautions and plenty of other bands/artists have said they are waiting.

Per the vaccine: Getting the first 40-50% of adults fully vaccinated was never going to be the complicated part. It's getting the other 20-25% percent to get vaccinated that was always going to be the issue...and it would require much more than 75% of adults to reach herd immunity because nobody 0-11 has been vaccinated and 12-17 vaccinations just started. So we are still a long ways away from reaching any potential herd immunity because we need 70-75% of all ages to be vaccinated.

It’s actually bothersome that only 50% of adults are fully vaccinated given the ease of access to vaccines throughout the past two months. Most places you can walk in now and get it and those places still can’t give them away.

Personally, now that I’ve already had Covid AND am fully vaccinated, I feel pretty comfortable doing most things - and would even go to shows - but it doesn’t mean Covid is gone and there still aren’t dangers and that a festival attended by thousands and thousands of people won’t be a super-spreader event. especially to kids and unvaccinated adults. My kids aren’t vaccinated yet, so I am still conscious of that too.

 

Touring is how these bands/musicians make money and lots of them have been sitting on albums for a year+ having to do livestreams or have postponed releasing albums, so while I see people questioning shows coming back (most of the people I know who are anticipating shows coming back are fully vaccinated FWIW), I'm not comfortable faulting the bands/musicians or venues here. Their career was literally put on hold and it's been very difficult for many of them. I'm not saying anyone here is accusing bands/musicians/venues but you have to look at this from their eyes too.

If people aren't getting the vaccine now, bands/musicians/venues can't just wait, because a lot of these people will never get the vaccine and life needs to move on for musicians and the venues they play.

Edit: If people aren’t comfortable with shows coming back and packed venues, that’s okay, you can stay home until you are comfortable but there are many people who are comfortable and I don’t think we should be shaming them (not implying anyone was here, speaking generally) for anticipating the return of shows.

 

I mean lolla is 4 days and acl is 3 and 2 weekends and a lot less money. Also I’m sure they don’t sell 100k 3 day passes like lolla sells 4 day passes on top of single day tickets. Lolla brings in around or over 400k since it’s gone gone 4 days. But like I’ve said international travel and the mandatory texting/vaccine has prolly hurt sales

 

I don’t think anyone disagrees with any of this.

But...we’re living through a global pandemic that no one under the age of 103-years-old on the planet has ever experienced. Truth is nobody knows the right - or wrong way - out of this. The answer was supposed to be the vaccine but there’s clearly a significant amount of hesitancy surrounding it by a total moronic portion of the population. The longer people don’t get vaccinated the more variants that are created and the harder it is to control. Festivals and large scale shows will only increase those odds.

I fully agree that eventually, shit has to happen again. But if they’ve waited 15 months, they could wait another few months (again, during the midst of a global pandemic) until we get to a certain threshold of total population vaccinated (including kids).

Ot they can just say ‘fuck it’ and wing it, like what is currently happening.

 

Like I said the people who aren’t getting vaccinated aren’t ever going to get the vaccine so what does waiting do? It just screws over the musicians and venues even more who have already struggled for far too long in these catastrophic times.

Also... $16 billion Save Our Stages relief fund has distributed $0

 

Just got my 2nd shot. I did some mass buying recently and I can't wait for the shows

 

To be blunt, I don't think "waiting another 15 months" is very fair to the 60%+ of adults who will be fully vaccinated within the next few weeks. And it's certainly not fair to the musicians, managers, promoters, bartenders, merch people, venue staff, etc. who are also doing their part.

Waiting will do nothing but further prevent people from earning a living.

What I would like to see is more festivals and venues taking the stance Lolla took WRT vaccines and testing. Unless you have proof of vaccination or a negative test? You can't go. That would both make it safer for those in attendance and further promote vaccinations. It's a win-win.