Thrice Band • Page 265

Ah, see, the joke I was attempting (poorly) to make is that I believe the songs you listed are mediocre. Not bangers.

As I say, I only really care for three songs on that record.

But I don't begrudge those who prefer TBE to Palms. Just different strokes for different folks. I'll take Palms everyday (though I really wish that synth-y intro got retconned out of Only Us).

 

not sure how to post threads, but good to see Dustin reply back to this. Hadn’t thought about this in a while and was too young to think how the song is kinda gross looking back

 

I think this song is great. You feel very sad for the character who’s looking for meaning and self worth and they try to get it physically from others in sexual relations but they are not really satisfied in the end. It’s that negative attention. The lyrics seem harsh, but it’s almost about sex addiction.
We all probably know a few men and women who these lyrics could be applied to. I have two males friends who suffer from the same behaviours of the character in the song. I think if you look at pop culture around when that song was wrote it makes a lot more sense. It’s not a shaming song in my mind.

 

you can like the song but when the songwriter is like, yeah, that’s my bad you don’t have to spin it lol

 

yeah i think that tweet is a bit of a reach with what theyre trying to imply - dont really see anything wrong with it, but it does seem cool of dustin to react that way. it's so easy to just say "well if something im doing makes others uncomfortable, i can just not do that thing", yet so many find that so hard to do.

 

like simply asking frank turner to not call his band mongol horde anymore, because of the historical context of the words.

that went well.

 

Dustin is a class act through and through by all accounts, right? Not surprised that he would respond so positively to a comment that would probably send many other artists into a ridiculous rant.

 

Can someone post his reply? People trying to dig stuff up for no good reason is strange to me.

 

Agreed, but, Twitter gonna Twitter. If nothing else it means now I feel like listening to some solo Dustin stuff today. I'll chalk that up as a win.

 

i don't think the tweet was trying to dig anything up unnecessarily, or trying to 'gotcha' dustin, just seemed like general curiosity, and dustin handled it as i would expect him to because thats the kind of guy he is.

 

like, there are SO many bands that have such problematic lyrics on older albums, i can't personally stand Senses Fail or Buddy for that matter but I respected what he said a lot about the older lyrics.

I would love to see Anthony from Bayside address some of his older lyrics that literally depict beheading an ex-girlfriend, but i don't expect that from him.

 

The problem is that the song is not written from the subject's point of view, it's written from another's perspective (presumably, a cis, straight, white, Christian, male) judging this person and projecting their own feelings about the subject's actions onto the subject and, yes, trying to shame them for those actions.

 

Yeah I hate when people dig up *checks notes* an artist’s own work as a “gotcha”.

Lol.

 

Also, it was clearly a fan just revisiting the music and being like "oh shit, this hits differently than it used to, and not in a good way. I wonder what the artist thinks of it." There was no malice, this is the exact kind of fan/artist interaction that twitter enables when it's at its best.

And good on Dustin for taking the question/critique seriously, recognizing the flaws in his past work, and choosing not to continue performing the song and promoting ideas/values he no longer agrees with.

 

I wish he wouldn’t just “stop playing that one”, but it’s a great way to diffuse a potential argument. Anyone who considers themselves a fan should have a good read on Dustin’s personality and song writing. What’s next, people trying to make Dustin sound pro gun because he used the metaphor “Pistol” to describe his wife.

 

he actually did a few years back and i'm pretty sure they cut dear tragedy from their setlists. i'll see if i can find it

 

great to hear, i guess i missed it! thanks for letting me know

 

I’m in a thrice group on Facebook and the replies are….not great

 

lol what a K post

 

Bayside’s Anthony Raneri Has Responded To People Responding To Their ‘Dancing Like An Idiot’ Video - News - Rock Sound Magazine

 

I do wish more artists would re-consider their use of gun metaphors in songs and see if there isn't a better way to express those thoughts that doesn't run the risk of normalizing (if not glorifying) guns and gun violence, but that's a discussion for another day.

 

I don’t see the flaws in this song.

It’s a very sad song from a “fathers” perspective. The girl in this song is loved, but went seeking a negative attention that could never love her back. He lost her to negative influences and the desire to be like the Paris Hilton stereotype at the time the song was wrote. It’s pretty heart breaking and a very real scenario because lots of men’s and women become addicted to that physical attention that is often unfulfilling.

 

Yes but women can choose to live whatever lifestyle they desire and shaming it just because it disappoints or makes you sad as a parent doesnt make it necessarily OK.