Accountability in Music • Page 486

i would honestly be very surprised if they were staging a comeback. i think we're looking too far into this and getting ourselves worked up in the process. no benefit comes from reading comments on social media by people who still very clearly love this band.

 

Anyway, it seems relatively obvious given what we know that 1. There was a band fall out over this that basically was the main cause for the reason why this band didn't put out new musicc for 9 years or whatever it was, and 2. THere was a lotttttttttttttt of therpy indivdually on lacey's part and, from what has been said at live shows and in song lyrics and such, some sort of group therapy as well.

I get that the band wants their privacy and all that, but, no. If you still want to be public figures after what happened, then you're going to have to explain, in detail, what got you to the point where you were okay to be around this man again, what you knew and didn't know and what you did do and, more importantly, chose not to do. And then you need to atone for your complete lack of just 'being there' for the victims when they were being harassed and attacked on social media when the story came out and you just...let it happen. Didn't attempt to even just say "leave them alone, they deserve to be heard and not attacked." You need to put detailed statements out on what we need to do for sexual abuse victims, what YOU are willing to do as a band, what charities and programs you are donating your time and money to and how you're using your standing in the "scene" (and, frankly, as a band that at this point is considered one of the all time greats and thus you have a lot of fucking clout) to STOP this shit from happening in the future when the 5th wave or whatever of emo screamo post hardcore pop punk etc. bands are coming up and idolozing your music. What are you going to do to take these young adult/early 20s shitheads aside and teach them what their parents and society never did about how you treat women? etc etc etc.

Then, and only then, can you maybe do your damn tour or your album or whatever. And proceeds from that should be going somewhere useful for abuse victims. ANd yeah plenty of people should rightully choose not to support you financially even after all of that.

 

There's no coming back from being a child predator. There is nothing anyone in the world could do to come back from that. Sorry but there's a line and that's the line.

 

On my end, they hid it. I don’t see it. But yeah, this sucks. Few fanbases are less deserving of a comeback than Brand New’s.

 

I honestly didn’t know the fan base attacked the survivors that’s even more fucked.

 

The Brand New Reddit is a cesspool that no one should visit.

 

and yet, there were/are more than one user on this site who continue to frequent that subreddit to this day

 

Any sufficiently large fan base is bound to have some shitty people in it. It's still mind-blowing to me that they had a #1 self-released album right before that all went down.

Also... re: that Iodine Records playlist with one brand new song in it. They have seven playlists for their different bands as well. So again.. don't read too much into it.

 

Definitely seems like they are doing *something* with Brand New. These comments are from this video which is in a playlist titled "BRAND NEW" with the only other video in the playlist a Brand New Song.

 

when the allegations first dropped, a lot of “she’s lying for attention” and “why bring it up now and not 15 years ago” aka the standard bullshit that abuse victims go through. That continued in the Facebook comment sections of Jesse Lacey’s “apology” and people started digging through her internet history to see that she went to BN shows and took pictures and commented on their stuff and etc over the years and write stuff on her blogs and whatever else about liking BN music and such, so obviously that means it either didn’t happen or it wasn’t as big a deal as she was making it out to be, just trying to hurt the band, etc.

It got pretty ugly for a while from what I remember.

 

pre-order def sounds like a repressing. Or maybe they went back and re recorded some songs or something.

YFW came out in 2000 right? 20 year anniversary or something I’m sure.

 

Yeah I can no longer see it. Fucking cowards

 

2020 going to 2020. I hope this ain’t real, I really do. But I wouldn’t put anything past this year.

 

Also feels weird to see people from other bands in the scene liking Jesse wife’s previous photos that include them together

 

and unfortunately there are enough people who don't give a shit who will support that and give them that pay day

it's fucking gross

 

I specifically remember Anthony Green commenting on a New Years post she made at the end of 2017 that slightly referenced the accusations against Jesse. It was something like “great post” or “well said.” That really didn’t sit right with me

EDIT: Found it. He commented “Love that. Happy New Year!”

 

YFW released in October 2001 so yeah they're deadass gonna try to cash in on a 20th anniversary of it

 

And I’m not sure if it’s meant to be supporting her vs. accepting what Jesse did. I’ve seen John from TBS, Brianna from Tigers Jaw liking some of her photos, and then Manchester Orchestra, Kevin Devine, Tanner from O’Brother interacting with Brian on Instagram by liking photos

 

I know people will eat it up but fuck that noise. I still find it terrible that the rest of the band didn’t comment on the accusations coming out that they clearly already knew about. All respect is lost from me and I won’t be supporting them.

 

i mean, people can still have friends that support them even through shitty times when they've done shitty things. i'm not gonna let a few instagram likes tarnish my relationship with the music of kevin devine, manchester orchestra, anthony green, etc.

 

Would be shocked to see if they came back. I know it's easy to point to the money, but these guys had been independent for a while and were racking up some good cash in that time. Andrea certainly makes enough money, so I'm not sure it would be the money that drives them to it. And if they were already planning on breaking up, it seems their love for music -- at least working together -- had faded. Best guess is that they just got together for Thanksgiving and took a photo, knowing it would stir up conversation and Brand New has always been a band that stirs up conversation for nothing. Remember when they launched a website that sent fans on a wild goose chase for clues, had people decoding the website, etc., and nothing came of it? Not saying this is OK at all, but if I had to guess, that's my best guess.

All of that being said, 2020 has been whacky and who the hell knows.

 

The label is doing a repress, some unreleased stuff and Merch designs from that era that haven’t been printed in forever. They also have some videos of full sets that aren’t on YouTube, not sure the plan with them.

 

gross

 

luv too make money off an exposed child predator and his enablers