Accountability in Music • Page 470

Miss Fortune Vocalist Details Disturbing Relationship with Ex-Issues Frontman Tyler Carter

 

fuck these idiots.

 

Not that he's made anything worth shit in 30 years but apparently Ian Brown is an antivaxxer or 'COVID truther' or whatever the fuck you would call this.

 

So I just went through my music library and deleted a bunch of bands I don't listen to or support anymore, and it was a really painful grieving process coming to terms with just how much of the music that shaped my adolescence was made by shitty people, like--
- Pierce The Veil
-Sleeping With Sirens
-Bring Me The Horizon
-Issues
-A Day To Remember
-WSTR
-Don Broco
Idk, it just really feels like I'm erasing entire portions of my childhood, and I'm stuck in this uncertainty that I won't even be able to avoid them once quarantine ends and touring starts up again. Does anyone else feel really defeated by these past few months?

 

honestly, i haven't heard any of the bands that have shitty people in them so it hasn't affected me personally. i can't even think of one.

 

I think if a lot of the bands you listen to are Warped Tour type bands (specifically filled with men), there’s a good chance you are going to be let down by them at some point due to the culture that exists because of Warped (remember that Kevin Lyman once said “Sexual harassment is part of the culture")

 

the only band i still listen to out of those is blink sometimes but good call (not sure why you underlined them anyways) i'll give up listening to music when one of the dudes from heavy heavy low low fuck up.

 

also, what happened with four year strong?

 

From a few years back

 

i don't understand what they did. i don't give a shit because that music didn't age well but i didn't see anything. senses fail are fucked too i guess.

 

JJR, tour manager for Four Year Strong, helped cover up the sexual assault situation with Harry Corrigan and actively threatened to end bands careers for speaking out about it. Despite this being the case, bands such as Four Year Strong and The Wonder Years continued to work with him as if nothing had happened.

 

Basically they still employ someone who has covered up sexual assaults and threatened those who spoke out against the offender.

 

ah, okay. that makes more sense. thanks for making it clear.

 

why does this matter? This is coming off as some holier-than-thou, I don’t listen to the same bands that everyone else does, so I don’t have to worry about the problems associated with this scene. That’s nice and reeks of privilege for you that you don’t have to worry about musicians that you like being pieces of shit, but how about we focus on making it so future bands we fall in love with know to treat people with respect.

 

how do you do that? instill fear in people? i'm sure shitty people don't care about consequences. all you can really do is trust that the people you care about don't do stupid shit.

 

The Wonder Years are the only band that cut business ties with him as a result of that situation. They haven’t worked/toured with him in any capacity since then. They absolutely did not continue to work with him as if nothing happened.

 

To be clear, they don’t “work” with him but are still very much friends

 

The quotes aren’t really necessary, it is a fact that they have not worked with him since the No Good News situation went down. What certain of the band members do in their private time doesn’t really have any bearing on that. It’s a bad look to be in those pictures but they don’t work with him anymore.

 

I’m just trying to make it clear that multiple members of the band maintain a public friendship with the guy that allows him access to power and the ability to maintain the status that he does within the scene. Sure, they don’t have him as their tour manager or whatever anymore. Imo that was to save face and it did not affect any aspect of their friendship (save maybe Dan). Your initial post seems to absolve them of a lot, if the full story isn’t laid out

 

My original post was 100% accurate. The initial statement was that they still “work with him as if nothing had happened.” That’s not true.

 

...I never said it was true? I’m just adding more detail for a person who might not know that members of the band are still close to him

 

I used continued in my post because I was under the assumption they did not cut ties with him right away. I could be wrong about that though.

 

I can’t recall how that whole situation went down. I know they cut ties and everyone was pretty angry that no explicit statement of condemnation was made. A lot of people said it was a legal thing, but there was also a lot of talk of an internal dispute re: the firing. One of the members PMed me on AP and basically asked me to stop pushing the band to comment on it because he (or at least members of the band) did not want to “burn bridges”

 

Work towards changing the culture and society that views those actions as acceptable. Because if the community knowingly lets shitty behavior fly, their silence can be viewed as culpability in encouraging those actions.

Some genres are more in tune with accountability, while others willingly ignore it.