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What are your thoughts so far? Letters still your favorite?

 

I don't know if I avoid it but I would agree seeing it panned discourages me from listening to it. I try to give stuff chances anyways though because I probably like a lot of music that isn't really "critically acclaimed"

 

this was a mosh pit call if ever there was one on a record

 

I'm more surprised when something I like is critically acclaimed lmao. Same goes for movies.

 

I think people straight up try to make as much and stay relevant in the conversation of rap, before the shit hits the fan. In that genre, artists are very dispensable and the form of meta is constantly changing. if people aren't talking about you, you might be finished. if some of y'all remember Trinidad James, he had 2 hits and was about to release a record. The scene changed and he fell off. Young Thug is a different beast entirely, he can afford to release music. he's built a good following thru early tapes and features. He has a gimmick like no one else that keeps being people's attention.

To stay afloat, people need to copy Drake and have small bits to keep people thinking about you, spaced out major releases, and a cool gimmick.

Man, I kinda kept it simple, but i'm sure there are other factors, i'm not accounting for.

 

I love things from all across the critical spectrum.

Great reviews will frequently make me want to check something out, but bad reviews are almost never a deterrent.

 

he does it because he has the material and the consistency to do it. if he wanted to generate hits he'd release less, so that radio and the culture could latch onto one instead of splitting among a bunch of songs that become lesser hits.

you should pay attention because even though they release a lot they are constantly expanding and pushing themselves in some way - every thug release in particular is distinct and features a lot of totally fascinating choices and rapping. youre conditioned to expect one album every couple years, which is fine, but theres no reason someone shouldnt be able to release more without being punished for it.

future has released maybe one or two lack luster projects in the nearly five years since pluto, thug has released one since 1017 thug. considering that future's run from Monster->DS2 demonstrates a clear, distinct vision for both individual releases and a larger thematic arc, i disagree with your assessment of how he operates; thug is clearly more scattershot but that is the nature of being an artist as erratic and off the walls creative as him, he can clearly commit to a vision when he wants (barter 6/tha tour) and the slime season series was in response to a leak of more than a hundred of his songs...people forget he went two years without an official solo project between 1017 and Barter 6. he's started releasing more concise projects lately anyway.

idk. if youre able to release more, why wouldnt you? especially when its free it seems so ridiculous to me to complain about it being "too much" or discredit them, since something like ss3 or 56 nights is way more interesting than a lot of the work being released at a traditional pace

 

Yeah but these guys are already big names you know, much bigger than artists who release way less music.

someone like Earl Sweatshirt or Vince Staples only release like one project a year if at all and they are obviously able to do that and they stay fairly relevant in between because their music has a bigger impact when it's released because they worked on it and sat on it longer

 

Yeah, squeedily squeedily squeeee

 

Earl hasn't released a fully dope tape, though

 

Like that to me is shooting a movie and deciding "eh this is all good" and then just showing the raw footage as your final product without cutting anything, editing it, or deciding what to keep to show what is necessary for your vision.

It's just a matter of over saturating the market for your music, your decisions aren't as powerful if you do them over and over again... there's just no trimming of the fat, each mixtape young thug does start to push himself a little further, yes, but he does that for the entire project. I feel like he could of consolidated it into one project that had a very defiant contour and showed that change through the course of one project rather than 300 songs.

 

Like what music are you listening to?

You can't listen to what Prince rips out of his soul at the end of "Purple Rain" and think it's masturbatory. Or the anguish in the dueling leads at the end of "Layla".

If it's Dream Theater, sure, but then stop listening to Dream Theater. Lol

 

I write hundreds of songs that I could release but it's the choosing what songs to release, when to release them, and why I want to release them that I think is a very important step for releasing a great project.

Not saying that it's a bad process, obviously it is working very well so they're doing something right. I'm just sharing my view point even if it's an unpopular view point because this thread is dedicated to that.

 

You can't win either way. Either you're judicious in what you release like Springsteen and everyone wishes there was more stuff from when you were at your peak. Or you release way too much material like Future and the well will eventually run a little drier. Both ways are valid.

 

good guitar solos rule. they just have to be thought out. *insert guitar solo here* solos tend to be unnecessary but don't account for all of them across music. and there is totally a place for good jammed out stuff too

i love this post

 

i mean future released four legitimately great projects in 9 months, took a break for some fun with drake, dropped a solid tape and then another very good one. thug releases are pretty much always at least "pretty solid." i guess i just fundamentally disagree with your assessment of the quality of the releases.

 

that's true... I guess what I'm referring to isn't as extreme as Springsteen haha more of a traditional release of an album every 1-2 years. The constant release is a valid way to do things, I just find myself as a fan quickly lose interest in an artist when they begin to release too much and find myself anticipating albums that take a few years because I know they're working hard on something and the payoff from listening to it is more rewarding to me.

 

I wouldn't call those 4 projects "great" all the way through by any means, there is some good stuff on them though.

/unpopularmusicopinions

 

yeah youre pretty alone on this one, esp when considering the length of beast mode and 56 nights. that run has already been canonized, his legacy is cemented already ha.

 

I really don't think I'm that alone on that... I get that you're a really big fan and that's super cool... but not everyone is as big of a fan

 

idk dude two of the three mixtapes from that run are literally in published "best mixtapes of the millenium" lists. you dont have to go far to find people calling 56 nights or ds2 or monster a classic. theyre already canon. the only one that gets kinda overlooked is beast mode and thats prob because its not metro/808 mafia production.

 

we're certainly not reading the same publications haha

 

i do listen to a ton of bad music too (i'll vouch for Angels & Airwaves' first three albums to hell), but a negative is a negative, and a negative from music journalists i look up to carries even more weight. i guess i just want to avoid listening to music that smart people think is not good? that's kinda stupid but idk

 

16 and 29 The 50 Best Rap Mixtapes of the Millennium - Page 3 | Pitchfork

future is canon, he's vince staples, earl, meek, pushas, drakes favorite rapper...you're free to dislike it or whatever but the 2015 run is borderline undeniable at this point.

 

56 nights a blassic