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If you knew anything about the north side of Milwaukee you would be singing a different tune

 

Have you read the Department of Justice's reports on Ferguson and Baltimore? They're not protecting people in black communities, they're preying upon them.

 

Ya, there are a lot of issues with those two departments and hopefully they can make some changes for the better.

However, that doesn't change the fact that police need to be able to use justifiable force for the above reasons.

 

You misunderstand. Those aren't problems, they're features of policing. They aren't heroes, they protect the status quo by brutalizing black and brown people. The riots to which you referred do not show why police are necessary; rather, they demonstrate the depths of anger by a community that has historically and continually been targeted for violence and death. The heroic imagery is merely ideological cover for those actions. You investment in it is an investment in white supremacy.

 

Except that Michael Brown robbed a convenience store prior to the riots which affirms the need for officers.

Regardless of your views, there are bad people out there of all races and the fact that law enforcement deals with them on a daily basis is where a great deal of that heroic imagery is born.

For example, when the Dallas shooter started shooting at the cops. Where'd the blm protestors hide? Behind the officers. Where'd the nearby officers run? Towards the gun fire. Seemed heroic to me.

 

Yes, thank god we have officers murdering people for selling cd's, loose cigarettes and stealing blunts. Again, you seem to misunderstand real-world dynamics.
I don't ascribe to the facile perspective of good or bad people. For all intents and purposes, when one looks at the reports, a bad person is simply a person of color walking down the street. Now, if you'd like to engage with the realities of the police force, then this conversation can go farther. If,however, you're just going to reiterate racist talking points, devoid of all historical context and substance, then I am not interested. You can engage in the hero worship elsewhere.

 

Study Links Police Bodycams to Increase in Shooting Deaths

 

"Heroes"

Misconduct of 7 cops in Philly caused a judge to reverse 158 drug convictions in one day

 

Not that it is relevant, but Sylville Smith, the man shot by the police officer in Milwaukee, has no felony convictions, so there goes some moronic racist assumptions:

"Police said Smith had a "lengthy arrest record." The Journal Sentinel also reported that Smith was charged in 2015 in a shooting and then charged again for trying to intimidate a witness in that same shooting — but both charges were dismissed. Despite his arrest history, Smith does not seem to have a felony record; he has one misdemeanor conviction for carrying a concealed weapon.

But Smith’s previous convictions aren’t what’s relevant to the shooting; it’s whether he was holding and trying to use his gun on the officers at the time he was shot. The legal standard for use of force requires officers to reasonably perceive a threat at the moment of use of force."

More to the point:

"Historians and experts say these types of violent outbursts are typically rooted in longstanding anger toward a system that has in many ways failed them. "People participate in this type of event for a real reason," Darnell Hunt, a UCLA professor who's studied the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, told me during the Baltimore riots after Freddie Gray died in police custody. "It's not just people taking advantage. It's not just anger and frustration at the immediate or proximate cause. It's always some underlying issues."

Milwaukee riots erupt after police shooting of Sylville Smith

 

You have no idea what it's like to be in the North side of Milwaukee. I've worked in this area plenty of time during my time at Pepsi and my girlfriend is a special education teacher at an elementary school about 15 minutes east of where this all took place. A person who is told to lower their weapon and doesn't comply is a threat to everyone in that neighborhood. This is the kind of person that uses that weapon to intimidate others or kill in retaliation. That's not racism, that's just the sad reality about the north side. I challenge you to be a cop in that area and tell me you would act differently.

 

Just to clarify, are you entirely denying the blatant racism of police in this country, or just that your specific, well-known, horribly racist area of the country (see above posts about Milwaukee) is somehow the exception?

 

I wouldn't be a cop because I don't want to uphold racial and economic injustice; I understand that these things do not occur in a vacuum, but rather are products of social processes that were intended to criminalize, murder and exclude whole populations from social life into the realm of social death.

 

Glenn Beck Pandered to Black Lives Matter Just Prior to Milwaukee Riot - Breitbart

 

So, you're saying he deserved to die? That the police training of shoot to kill is the ideal? Of course it's a dangerous situation but to kill a guy over it... you'd hope our cops have better training and mentalities than that, right?

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwauke...in-named-worst-state-for-black-americans.html

 

Burkinis are banned at French beaches because "secularism". Let me know when they ban cross necklaces and tattoos.

 

good to see France continue their messy tradition of suppressing and attempting to erase all forms of muslim culture

 

What's frustrating is that they do it under this guise of secularism when in reality they're forcing French culture (white, western, Catholic) on immigrant groups. Garbage.

 

Isn't that what politicians are doing in the U.S. as well?

 

This is where I diverge with some of you-- if a person is threatening you with a deadly weapon, peaceful recourse has already been abandoned. Shooting to wound in that situation, absent an unrealistic expectation that they shoot to disarm i.e. hit the guy's hand with pinpoint accuracy, makes no sense and just endangers more people. I can understand criticisms of shoot to kill in many instances, but certainly not in this officer's case.

 

Definitely the liberal elite and Democrats. Republicans are turning towards the "we like you but we'd prefer you just not be in our country, k?" approach.

 

Or violence shouldn't the basis on which one interacts with a community in the first place.

 

"Assimilate to American culture!"

*listens to rap*

"I meant WHITE American culture!"

 

So you'd like to expand and better fund the police state so that it can accommodate more civic functions on top of being required to intervene against violent crime?

That's fine to me. But when a suspect points a gun at an officer while attempting to evade arrest, expecting the officer to not protect himself and to instead consider in that moment the lens of his community relations appears foolish and vapidly rhetorical to me. Commandeering instances of police violence that are justified on their face towards forging further conversation of actual police misconduct is a dangerous game.