The Official Racism Thread Social • Page 43

I think what he is saying is, you should listen before speaking. He doesn't need to speak for me or endorse my views. I have them. I have justified them.

 

I've read your views. They are full of anger and directed at cops for acting usually within the boundaries established for cops to operate. The times they're actions are viewed by our courts as unreasonable, they are punished. Death to the cops for doing their job as it is described by the law????

Nevertheless, you're anger should be directed at the elected officials and their policies that have failed black people in America.

 

It must be nice to have so much faith in the justice system as it pertains to law enforcement especially. That's what we like to call privilege. Now, think about it for one second through the eyes of POC who are discriminated against in every way in our legal system from the top to the bottom and how time and time again they watch these killer cops walk away unscathed, with paid leave even. It's disgusting from that point of view. Of course you think the courts work, they work for you. Imagine having the courts work against you for your entire existence and the entire existence of your people's history in this country. Just imagine it for one second. Now why should they have faith that the courts are making the right decisions for these cops? Courts rely on cops, cops rely on courts, they look out for each other. Meanwhile a white guy and a POC can get charged with the same crime and every time the POC will get a harsher punishment. Just think about these things for one second and how it all plays into the bigger picture

 

I'm not a fan of Dom's views regarding the death of cops, but ain't it weird how people come into this forum to just focus on that one aspect of Dom's views and disregarding everything else he says?

 

I see what you're saying. Graham vs Connor is case law that was decided by the United States Supreme Court. In summary, it gives a rundown on the criteria needed for officers to use lawful force.

Will anything change by cops being killed or will that only serve to make cops circle the wagons more? Or is it just revenge that you want? Because according to the US Supreme Court, cops are acting within their boundaries.

And to St Nate- I haven't contested anything else Dominick has said in this forum. Only his claim that cops should be killed. And I would say that one aspect is pretty significant.

 

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When did Dom ever say, "THE KEY TO ENDING RACISM IS KILLING COPS!"

Also, who are you to tell a black man where he should direct his anger as if his main focus is killing cops?

 

When they shoot people dead who are not resisting or otherwise being violent, how are they acting within their boundaries?

 

Citing case law is irrelevant. What do you not understand about this? The entire structure of US law is anti-black, with mechanisms to either annihilate or warehouse black bodies. The DOJ just released a report documenting racist policing in Baltimore. Will any of these men face charges? Will any of these men be brought to justice? No. More often than not, police officers can murder with impunity. Just look at the Eric Garner or Tamir Rice case. This institutional deference you keep trotting out, therefore, is meaningless because we are speaking about institutional racism. Do I think killing cops is going to yield utopia? No, but day after day we see black men and women killed, so I think a message must be sent that, if we are killed, your lives are forfeit as well. You are simply another hang on the street. But, there is also political work that must be done to change things,eg, challenging the states monopoly on violence.

 

Legality and morality are not the same. Changing when it is legal for cops to commit murder will not in and of itself stop them from doing so. Is that something that needs to happen? Yes. But it's a band-aid until we address the underlying issues. In the case with this thread, that issue is racism and the way that manifests itself in the pseudo-military complex many police institutions operate under. (Need an example? Rape is illegal. Yet, it still happens and its illegality doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent - and that's a much harder crime to prove than when a cop kills a civilian for committing a misdemeanor or existing while black or brown. These murders can happen on camera and people still find it in themselves to blame the victim.)

I do not advocate for the killing of anyone - but I understand the reaction. The highlighted phrase is an irrelevant question because not killing police hasn't stopped them from responding to minor infractions with lethal force. The question itself implies that the public started this "war". The onus to create a safer, more peaceful environment - and to improve relationships and establish trust between the public and law enforcement - is on the police because they hold the institutional power. This is the same concept with all subjugated groups. If someone is uncomfortable with that responsibility, they should choose a different line of work.

Honestly, I think a huge part of the issue here is who we allow to become cops in the first place and the kind of training they undergo - and more notably, don't undergo - before essentially being given a license to kill but... I digress.

 

Department of Justice: Baltimore cops "coerced sex in exchange for immunity from arrest"

 

I was gonna respond to everyone individually but it became exhausting.

In the mind of police and the courts, police are acting within the law in most instances. Right or wrong that is how it is. Killing cops will only result in further bloodshed on both sides. If that's what blm wants, that's what it will get.

I do not believe there would be a lot of highly qualified people that would want to risk their lives being cops for average pay and the threat of jail time if they make a mistake because they didn't have all the facts. The courts know this which is why case law is how it is. I don't know the best way to fix it but I know killing cops is not the way.

 

This is absolutely ridiculous. BLM leadership does not advocate violence against police.

The answer is for the courts to stop making excuses and hold police accountable when they kill people. Not having all the facts is not an excuse for killing someone, it makes it worse in many cases actually, like when people are just going for their wallet and end up getting shot because the cop thought they were going for a gun. That's the cop's fault.

 

You're engaging in circular reasoning. The point is, cops are part of the problem. One cannot separate them out from a judicial system that protects them. Of course it does, because it is predicated on the same anti-black framework as the other parts of the system. If you are too dense to understand this, and prefer to spew the same line about law, completely misunderstanding that it is the law and the structures that preserve them are the very things in contestation, there is no point in continuing this dialogue. Regardless, I stand by my statements about cops needing to die. Accept it or don't, but your arguments mean nothing.

 

I have seen the blm protesters saying their chants about cops needing to die. And now Dominick says it so don't say that's not what blm wants.

Cops need to die.
What are you doing to make that happen Dominick?

Racist America needs to change.
Besides saying all this needs to happen, are you doing anything about that?

 

This is one of those times when it's best to walk away and find another venue. This conversation is forecasted to be very unproductive.

 

You're a moron. No one, including myself, needs to explain anything to you to prove anything.

 

How anyone equates "not having all the facts" with blatant murder is beyond me.

 

i was banned for a month for disagreeing. Thats how pathetic this site is now.

Dominick should have been banned ALONG TIME AGO with some others

but unfortunately the mods and the owner are a bunch of wimps

if you disagree with the majority banned

funny how dominick can say certain people should be dead,

is that not against the terms and conditions?

but whatever

man up mods (or wait is that offensive?)

 

though it was hardly better than this, you should have stuck to shitposting about your uncle.

 

My best friend is back guyzzzz!!

 

That's the life of every poc in an oppressive state.

 

throws away friendship bracelet dejectedly

 

If this is what you believe, then why exactly do you think that changing legislation will help? Honestly asking. Seems to me you're saying cops being unqualified murderous humps is a foregone conclusion so we'd better just accept it. There's already almost no risk for jail time and we're STILL not getting qualified folks applying, or training the unqualified people to BE qualified when they sign up.

This is the inherent flaw in the logic used here. The same folks who believe it's reasonable for a police offer to shoot an unarmed individual for, say, misdemeanor shoplifting because of an implied threat where cops "don't have all the facts" do not believe it's reasonable for a member of a group of people who are statistically singled out for said execution far more than others to respond in kind. Murder for what someone MIGHT do is excusable when the person with the gun is wearing a badge, but murder for murder is not? Why is stereotyping black folks okay but stereotyping police is not? The double standard here is incredible when you factor in the power imbalance.

Slice it how you want, that kind of thinking demonstrates that you're more comfortable with (black) civilian blood being shed than the blood of police officers, who are not a subjugated minority. Again, I am not an advocate for the execution of cops, personally. I am merely confused as to how so many people miss a hole so gaping in that train of thought. You may want to ask yourself why one bothers you whereas you find the other excusable.

With that said, this particular conversation does need to end here as discussions of illegal activities - which includes advocating murder - is against community rules.

 

Is this what privilege feels like? People angry at you for something over which you have no control? Feels good. Like, I have no responsibility.

 

You were banned for equating the discussion of institutionalized inequalities and white privilege with those discussing it being racist in an incredibly combative manner with no intent to engage in meaningful conversation, in multiple threads. That is trolling. Trolling is against community rules, and is also incredibly annoying. Us wimpy, feminized mods are very averse to annoying things, turns out.

But whatever.