General Politics Discussion VII [ARCHIVED] • Page 1029

gotta find Birdman's Reddit

 

Michael Tracey and Andrew Sullivan sure are a pair. The anger of being ON CAMPUS NOW! is killing me. Although I know why Tracey is scared to go back to school.

 

I feel like at max, a handful of tweets is worth like $2. Even that seems generous lol

 

“Emotional labor” taken so literally by leftists is very funny / depressing since it’s literally being like “you know that whole commodification thing that we hate capitalists for doing? What if we applied that to literally everything else!!!”

 

Here comes the Fall Out, Boys

 

I’m not saying anything about that specific interaction but I give her props for trying to bring that idea into the mainstream

like, almost every funny/viral tweet on Twitter is followed by a link with their sound cloud or Venmo listed. Why is it outrageous to hope for money for that content but not for educational content? Especially when, like she said, black people have BEEN trying to educate us for years

I’m not saying it’s something that would be easily “enforceable” or “billable” but y’all are acting like this fucking millionaire can’t be like yknow what I appreciate what you’re doing bc I’m sure it’s super frustrating here’s $100 considering that’s literally pocket change to me

Also just don’t appreciate people pretending not to understand that educating people is something that has value. Just because you have done it for free doesn’t mean you should have.

 

If Joe said “I will pay someone to teach me about this topic” then yes he owes her. She tweeted at him a couple times and expects to be paid.

 

That idea should absolutely not be mainstream lol. Again, interactions should not be so easily commodified. That is literally a capitalist dream.

 

The replies are a rollercoaster. Wow.

And the actual convo they had on twitter doesn't help her case at all lol they didn't use anything from that

Give her $1

 

It’s easy to be like “well Joe has tons of money so yeah he should be throwing it around to anyone” but that’s not the logic of being paid for emotional labor at issue here.

 

Part of the problem is that literally no one IS saying that. They expect the education to come for free.

Also I very specifically said I’m not saying anything about this specific interaction ie: I’m not speaking on whether this specific interaction is worth $$ or not. I’m speaking on the concept as a whole bc y’all are shitting all over it

so again I ask what is the difference between someone going viral on twitter and attaching their Venmo to the next tweet, and following up an education exchange with “if you learned something, you can pay me for the education you just received”

 

The person attaching their Venmo is asking for a donation. Not demanding it. Thats quite different

 

So you think that in a capitalist society in which we currently live, people don’t deserve to be compensated for their contributions to society?
I just don’t understand this at all.
It’s about assigning value to roles that have been traditionally undervalued by society and yes capitalism. Roles that have traditionally been taken up by women, mind you

 

I’ve been trying to have a discussion with my racist cousin this week and the message that made me give up (at least for the foreseeable future) was one that said I’d have to call him if I wanted to talk about certain subjects because, “I’m not writing a book if I’m not getting paid.” The fact that he thought talking privately with me was not only something that required payment but that HE was somehow the one who would be the one deserving it just completely blew my mind.

This situation with FOB is obviously very different of course, and not crediting people for their help or contribution to what your powerful brand is presenting is not a good look.

 

the OG tweet having 6000 likes and rts makes me want to die

 

If someone agrees to compensate another for their contributions, then yes? Otherwise no? Doing so is not a radical idea or one that serves to help undervalued people. It’s just commodifying yet another aspect of life

 

Jiminy Jillikers, Radioactive Man!

 

Y'all want to talk about gross capitalism, this lady says a guy who found literally buried treasure owes him the findings lol

A Chicago treasure hunter was on the trail of a hidden chest worth more than $1 million — but she says she was hacked and her ‘solve stolen’

 

Maybe the whole entire problem is that no one is agreeing to compensate another for their contributions??? Because they expect it for free??? I literally JUST said that.

I’m sorry but why are you speaking for what serves undervalued people like POC and women? Educating and being polite while doing it have always been roles delegated to women, educating about race and being polite while doing it has always fallen on black people. It is not a coincidence that you don’t see that work as having value.

 

Saying “agree to pay me for this emotional labor and I will then perform it” is one thing. Performing that emotional labor and then being like “oh btw you owe me for this” is a different thing entirely. You’re arguing about this on an abstract level about what kind of work deserves what compensation, but my issue is how that compensation is agreed upon/administered

 

In the world we live in where virtually anything is bought and sold I would for sure want to charge rich people for literally anything because they sure as hell aren’t being taxed enough and we have to get at their wealth somehow. I would of course worry that if that were to become common it would somehow be monetized by Time Warner or something and they’d end up owning people’s conversations in the ultimate dystopia. The poor would end up being both excluded and paying the most for it like everything else that becomes monetized. But we aren’t there yet and my worries are slippery slope fallacy so charge rich people but don’t charge poor people please

 

No not really considering before you were saying the issue is that it doesn’t deserve compensation because it “commodifies interactions”
So that’s quite a different defense than saying it’s about how it’s agreed upon/administered

Ask yourself why it makes you feel so uncomfortable that black women are demanding compensation for work they’ve always done for free


I also want to be clear that I never called it emotional labor. Emotional labor is PART of it because these convos are traumatic and frustrating and you often have to be “polite” and be tone policed. However, calling it that is in my opinion a true injustice to what it is. It’s labor. Not emotional. It takes time and it takes education and it takes skill to engage with someone and educate them about sensitive topics

plenty of people apparently think that work doesn’t have value. I want you to rly ask yourself why that is.

 

I don't think anyone in here has said that work has no value. Just that it's voluntary and a slippery slope