Accountability in Music • Page 417

that’s okay, i’m also not gonna lie and pretend I think you’re correct because I don’t. I appreciate and value your input in this convo tho.

 

My problem isn’t with it being Matty.

My problem is with it being over this.

This kinda thing is why I like discussing what people call “cancel culture” in contexts like this, where I’m not overly worried about it feeding into bad faith nonsense outside of the occasional bad lurker. (Which, cue someone being mad at me using “cancel culture,” even in scare quotes, lol.) We gotta be better at this whole thing.

 

I don’t know why anyone would lie and pretend to think I’m (or anyone) is correct when they don’t.

This is what I’m saying like people can disagree. You can say I see what you’re saying and don’t agree, and that’s that.

 

okay then if that’s what you’d prefer, I see what you’re saying and don’t agree and that’s that.

 

Dear looooord. Who is being cancelled?

 

Oh I just meant you last post was saying basically that

was just reiterating what I said earlier about being able to disagree

 

No one is trying to cancel Matty we’re just trying to explain why what he did may be perceived as inappropriate by people.

 

also yeah, as someone who has witnessed ppl close to me have mental breakdowns and delete their socials and actually concern me re: their mental health over some petty internet drama, I am gonna have a problem when someone simply brushes off an act that often (in my experience) is an indicator of deeper issues as someone being a “fragile baby.” I just don’t think it’s good practice, personally. whether or not it comes off as if I’m reading too much into the situation. it *is* personal, and I don’t expect someone who hasn’t endured the same shit as me to have the type of sensitivity I have to it but I def am gonna speak on it if I’m rubbed the wrong way.

 

If this is in response to my post, I think you completely missed what I was saying.

 

I think it’s gone pretty far past that by now though, yeah? This conversation has gone on much longer than it’s needed to

 

He did something messy. Like @nohandstoholdonto said, it's okay to be messy if you work to better yourself. It really seems like he was posting from a good place and attempting to spread a positive message. I don't think he considered the implications of posting his own song with that message, which comes across as a bit tone-deaf to the situation. He deleted the post and separated the messages, then posted something more straightforward on IG. That's part of that "accountability" thing, imo. He got called out for something that he may not have even realized, and then changed what he posted.


At the same time, he's posted a toooon of dumb shit in the past and is constantly sticking his foot in his mouth. I get why people are fed up with him doing that.

Idk, this is dumb and I really don't feel like having Matty Healy being at the center of the discourse on the matter today, lol.

 

Are your friends celebrities with platforms? Like I do genuinely understand because I’ve been through similar things but to act like that is comparable to a celebrity with a huge platform is...it’s just not the same IMO.

when you have a platform you have a responsibility. When you use that platform recklessly/insensitively WHILE trying to be an ally, and people call you out...if you’re trying to be an ally it is your responsibility to engage with them.
To run away and not engage with criticism is, in my opinion, a fragile male ego thing to do.

 

Man, all this is why I lurk more than participate in here

 

I think the biggest sticking point for me is the practical side, which is why I understand questions about the line between accountability & performative rage. (Which, to be clear, is something I’ve had to regularly ask myself, so this isn’t some outside critique.)

Like, I’m 100% for people calling out bad tweets on Twitter, as long as it doesn’t enter unjust harassment territory. And, I’m 100% for talking in here about people who haven’t been held accountable so people can make decisions w/ that knowledge in mind.

But, on a pragmatic level, what is accomplished by taking a situation that went down somewhere else, something that’s already progressed to the point where, like, tweets were deleted & things were already in progress... & sharing it here?

I’m not questioning anyone’s motives here or whatever right now. Nor am I saying the tackiness needed to be unaddressed. But, if we all take a step back & reflect, in this case, what accountability was supposed to happen?

Like, to give an example in a very different type of context: I made a Facebook status yesterday inspired by this same act of police brutality, but w/out mentioning it by name (because it was already being shared a lot by my peer group), to subtly get people questioning the police as an institution. Someone misread the room & commented on my status about how he felt that way about baseball. Instead of ignoring it, or talking about it to others, I just deleted the comment & messaged him about it, & he understood, & all was good.

Again, not perfectly analogous. We can’t delete Marty’s tweets & message him as friends, lol. But, the principle I’m getting at is... Are we about being mad online, as bad faith actors accuse us of being, or are we about justice & accountability? And if the latter, are our actions serving that, or ourselves?

Sucks that this turned into what it did in here, but it’s never a bad time to pause & reassess, y’know?

 

I don't think it's gonna get much clearer than this and I honestly don't know what there is to keep going on about.

 

This MF said Marty

 

lol, fuck. Dang my big, clumsy fingers. Ain’t gonna fix it now.

 

This one unraveled much more quickly than others, haha. 1975 certainly causes strong feelings

 

Serious question. Do those change.org polls do anything?

 

This times a billion.

 

I think what a lot of people seem to missing out on re: the 1975 dudes tweets is that there are a looooooooot of emotions flying about at the moment and rightfully so. Especially so soon after what has happened. If he had taken a step back and thought "hmmm, maybe I shouldn't post this right now" and left it a while, it may not have got the same reaction.

 

He did do that though, after like 2 minutes. Said the tweet was in bad taste and then deleted the one that paired his song with his statement. And then everyone piled on him and he deactivated.

 

Doesn't change the fact that emotions are running high and it can take very little to set someone who is already hurting off.

 

I can't believe Trapt is still going with their bullshit ridiculous Tweets, but this is just two of the many recent ridiculous things the dude has tweeted. No surprise he has an awful opinion on the George Floyd incident. I wish someone could tell him to shut the fuck up and stop tweeting. He's literally threatening to fight people in person, isn't that a violation of Twitter rules?

 

I think many, many, many people have told him to shut the fuck up and stop tweeting