Accountability in Music • Page 415

deleting your twitter account does not necessarily equal not being willing to stand behind your own statements. imo

this is also goalpost shifting, why did he get fucking hounded on twitter? for posting that black lives matter and including a link to one of his songs that addresses and implicitly condemns police brutality. fuckin... whatever, cancel him for anything but this imo

 

nobody is talking about "cancelling" anybody what are you talking about

 

I think the second part of my quoted post directly contradicts this though. And the facts and questions that you choose, very much like the news, is inherently political.

Sorry not trying to stick on this, his answer is just hella dumb probably just to avoid stating anything concrete.

 

this is maybe only true if you’re exclusively talking about chorus dot fm.

 

His answer was intended to absolve himself of criticism for name-dropping Pinegrove on Notes, he just phrased it in a way that implicitly renders all of his other lyrics (including his most political ones) essentially meaningless.

 

yeah i thought we were bringing this up because it's a real fuckin shithouse on twitter. y'all have more level heads about it but it's making me wonder why it's relevant to this thread at all?

 

I am.

 

....why does it matter if he deleted his account? Twitter is a toxic af, and stan culture is the worst and not wanting to engage with that makes perfect sense. There no point to engage with it.

I think about Black Dresses, who earlier this week broke up because they tried to engage with their online community and they were treated so poorly (from their own fans). Deleting your twitter and walking away is just a sign of trying to stay mentally healthy. who cares.

 

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I think instead of posting one of his own songs he could have posted some educational material on why law enforcement in the United States is so heavily scrutinized (since he has a lot of young fans, and not just in the US).

I understand that the song has relevant lyrics, but it feels like he’s partially putting the attention on his music instead of explicitly on the actual incident, if that makes any sense.

 

matty has consistently namechecked and credited the black artists he's borrowed from since the beginning of his career when he talked about wanting to make records that sounded like the whitney houston and michael jackson albums he grew up on. he is aware of the borrowing and always trying to draw attention to the source, i can't think that that undermines him at all

 

he's given versions of that answer since the song came out, way before the pinegrove line.

 

Oh well then that kind of just reinforces my point about him not expressing his own opinion in his lyrics, doesn't it?

 

anthony your extremely nuanced reason of why someone would go after matty is not why almost anyone is going after him rn, just imo

 

not really because I think the lyrics speak for himself and matty doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes lol

 

Well I'm just trying to give my own opinion on the reasoning why it's happening, if that's not actually the case so be it.

 

I just can't believe he posted this meme


I'm ill equipped to say what is or what isn't white privilege and I don't think us fighting is helpful

 

Also just important to remember that this situation didn’t occur in a vacuum. Matty has a history of inserting his foot in his mouth without regard and frankly it only makes sense that people get madder each time it happens because they don’t want to hold his hand and help him understand again
So ofc it can seem like the outrage is disproportionate to the action, that’s because you’re taking it out of context of all his past actions.

it’s an extremely fragile white male baby move to delete your whole twitter instead of apologizing/considering other viewpoints. Like you’re challenged even slightly and you have a whole ass temper tantrum. Fragile.

 

Exactly! Everyone has their limits and they'll react to things in different ways but I reached mine with him a while ago and his reaction is just really disappointing to see.

 

Yeah, I'm on board with that.

 

imo if I’m deleting my twitter after seeing prob tens of thousands of tweets at me calling me all sorts of vile shit, I’m probably doing it more so out of protection of my own mental health (which, yeah, is pretty fragile) than being a coward but hey I’m not a celebrity and I don’t have tens of thousands of followers to do that to me

 

“Tens of thousands of tweets calling me all sorts of vile shit”

is that what’s happening or are people holding him accountable for saying something insensitive and he doesn’t like what they’re saying so instead of unpacking and sitting with it he rage deletes his whole online presence

 

I just will never be convinced that posting a music video with a direct line referring to what happened is "insensitive".

 

if you’ve gone in the mentions of literally any celeb ever you’d know it’s never simply “people just trying to hold them accountable”

 

glad he cropped the second pic, IMO that shows he’s listening. have seen lots of white folks share the unedited pic with seemingly no concern of how traumatic that can be for some people to see unannounced.