Suicide Squad (David Ayer, 2016) Movie • Page 40

Movie was pretty good. All the characters were awesome. Set up was nice for them all. I guess I'm the only one who liked the soundtrack? I'm torn on the villain/third act because it could have been done a loooottt better but I'm also amazed at how out there/comicbooky it is which is what I've always wanted out of these movies. It also felt like a living breathing world where batman, flash and Joker pop in and out. I know that's where most of the complaints I've heard are, because in traditional story telling you don't introduce characters and story beats that go no where. I didn't look at Joker as a subplot that was serving no purpose, I saw this movie as part of a world that he lives in. I also liked this Joker. I liked that he was more gangster with fear and respect and I believed he runs gotham city. Can't wait to see more of these characters.

 

She's a super villian who tried to slash him with a knife....while he's trying to save her from drowning and he doesn't have time to fuck around. Did I miss something that is offensive?

 

BET is a popular channel that a ton of real people watch, correct? If that's his favorite channel and has been missing it in prison, what's the problem with being happy to watch it?

 

You are being deliberately obtuse aren't you?

 

Nope, just trying to make sense of these claims. Why is batman punching Harley bad? Do we want women in these action movies but never want to see damage done like males? Why is wanting to watch BET bad? I'd love to hear these reasons instead of everyone just complaining like SJW that everything offends them.

 

just because you know you can't have something doesn't mean you can't want it. That vision also showed two individuals who weren't psychotic sociopaths

 

So bad. Leto's Joker was the cringiest shit I've ever witnessed.

 

It really is something how chauvinist this film is. Harley Quinn is brutalized and sexualized, often simultaneously, but without any deeper contextualization about what that means for her psyche. Batman punches her, then they sort of make out, the Joker has her kill himself for him, Deadshot threatens to hit her, and then there's the brutal torture from the government officials. Diablo slaps his wife's ass, then kills her. Deadshot tells Rick Flag to slap Enchantress on the ass to "set her straight" or something. The camera can't stop ogling Margot Robbie. And while this is a film about bad guys, so I don't expect every character to abide by my morals or be politically correct, the way it was handled seemed like an indulgence in how cool and edgy these characters were, not any reflection or examination of where that violence comes from or what it means in a comic book movie. Even Harley and Joker's relationship, which should be an examination of an abusive relationship, doesn't let us into them actually growing attracted to each other. There are exceptionally brief flashbacks where she's already into him, and the film never broadens to let us understand what this really means to her, what it's doing to her. I do think Robbie's performance was mostly strong enough to leave an impact, but this is a really brazenly misogynistic (and racist) film, with no regard for what the violence and thematics it's playing with in morality mean in a PG-13 comic book movie.

 

All that is vaild except this part. He was trying to save her and she tried to kil him. Warrants a punch. Then he thought she needed mouth to mouth and she pulled a sandlot on him which is her character. Come on, I know you guys saw that, don't make that out to be way more than it is.

 

It's that the punch is played for laughs that gives me pause. My theater laughed at it, and whenever a theater laughs at violence against women, I think that's reason for giving a moment a second thought. It also plays into the constant pattern of Harley constantly being both sexualized and brutalized. In Ike Barinholtz's guard character, the Joker, Batman, and Deadshot, there are male characters who both sexualize her and commit violence against her (or threaten it). Normally if I noticed a pattern like that, particularly from a filmmaker with at least some talent, as I believe David Ayer is, I'd look for what the film is trying to say in those instances. But in Suicide Squad, I don't believe there's any worthwhile statement being made. I think there's an attempt, particularly in the government's torture of her potentially being a signifier for why she would actively pursue the "comfort" of the Joker, abuse and all, but the film drops those ideas as soon as they're introduced.

For instance, if the film were trying to really make this character an interesting portrait of an abuse victim, it wouldn't let the Joker off the hook so easily. He ditches her in the Lamborghini as it plunges into the water, leaving her to Batman. It could have been a meaningful parallel for him to completely ditch her again later in the helicopter crash, serving his own self-interests once again. It would reinforce the selfish nature of the Joker and make it even more tragic that Harley is so tied to him, and he continues to fail her. But no, the film just completely abandons the Joker after he triumphantly rescues her. That adds nothing to either character's ethos, leaving them and their relationship underdeveloped.

 

Apparently the Joker was supposed to throw her off the helicopter in the original cut.

 

Ah ok, I can understand that. I do think violence like that is comical to people when timed right so that leads me to the point of why its ok for a male and not a female? The guard was overly creepy though and served no purpose. I forgot about him until you mentioned it which proves how un needed it was.

 

That would go against all he did to save her. Seems like a terrible decision.

 

So I dragged myself to watch this yesterday (had flu), can I post what I feel about this movie here? I don't care if nobody reads it or cares for it, I just want to let this out of my chest.

They should have just titled this:

"DEADSHOT AND THE TAG-ALONGS"

Starring:
Will Smith as Hyper-accurate Agent J from Men in Black
Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn
Viola Davis as Amanda Waller
Some White Dude as All-American Flag Soldier
Beardie as Boomerang, because he weaves in and out of the story without any logic or sense... just like a boomerang
Croc guy as Not Groot, but sometimes sassy
Tattoo guy as Pacifist Human Torch
Cara Prettyface as Magic Hula Dancer/Daughter of Gollum and Sadako

with:
Jared Leto as BARELY EVEN THERE
Japanese girl as "Oh she was there too? Huh."
Batman as being Batman kicking Alfred. Oh wait, that was from the preview of Lego Batman.
Skinny Kid as Blue Lightning with weird plate-y armor. He's Flash, right?

Now that I got all that not-serious thoughts out of the way, might as well say the serious ones.

The movie isn't that bad, I guess. I dunno. It's just not that quite good either? It was, okay-ish. It was just that, okay...ish. Last movie that made me feel this way was The Amazing Spiderman 2. I felt exactly the same way when I stood up and left after the movie credits ended. I had a few chuckles, one or two laugh out louds. A few cool action sequences, one or two bad-ass ones. The story was "eh, I'll suspend my disbelief, maybe the movie will come together at the end" but never really came together. The acting and performances were "maybe I shouldn't compare this, else I'd see more glaring flaws".

I have seen movies I know would be bad and still come out having enjoyed them. I watched Transformers and the TMNT ones knowing full well what to expect. A shitty movie that I'm going to enjoy the CGI shit anyway. So yeah, after the movie, I go out of the theater with a smile on my face after seeing a shit movie.

I don't know about this one, though. It wasn't shit. I think I had a good time watching, but I feel... sad? No, not sad. Disappointed? No, not even disappointed, not so quite. If I had to quantify my expectations for the Suicide Squad it would be:

40% - Just have any semblance of a forgivable storyline
30% - Just make me smile or wow for a few times
20% - Technical movie stuff (editing, graphics, scoring etc)
5% - A revealing midcredits scene
4% - A surprise aftercredits scene
1% - Will Smith is gonna get the buttload of screen time and story dedicated mostly on his character.

And this movie got a solid 71% based from the above % of my expectations. So by my standards, I shouldn't feel disappointed walking out the theater, and I didn't. I surely didn't. But I wasn't smiling at all. And it bugs me why. Did I set my expectations too high? I mean, I enjoyed it. I did, but man...

To close this brain-fart of mine, I think that whoever is on the top level of the decision making with regards to DCEU should have a paradigm shift. Yes they are late in this cinematic universe thing, almost a decade late. There is no use trying to catch up by going par on par. Stop taking the wheels from the directors. I feel like there is a too much top-level input of "do this, change this so that DCEU can steal this share of the viewer's market from MCU" that it drags down the movie quality.

Make good movies first. When people see that your movies can stand good on their own, the market will shift towards your brand then.

Sigh. And I enjoyed this movie. Sigh.

 

Sounds like something the Joker would do though.

 

Hahaha. I know the guy that cut the first couple of trailers for this, down to being the person to get them record that piano version of "I Started A Joke" (Speaking of, why was that not in the movie, instead of "Sympathy for the Devil" for the 1,000,000th time.) He's a smart guy that's won awards for his trailer work. He'll appreciate the kind words.

Because they wrote two fairly fleshed-out black characters and made the third one an almost caricature of a black person, down to his dialogue and his only request to watch BET so, as we see, he can see big asses. It doesn't really connect to anything we know about his character (Much like Capt. Boomerang being interested in Katana in the last 10 minutes), so it comes as cringe, especially knowing that a white guy wrote it.

 

Hey man, if that's what his character is into. There are a ton of people who like bet and big asses (me included) so I don't see that as racist if that's just his character. I agree on his character getting the shaft though. When he finally joined in the final fight I was happy.

 

I sat next to an older gentleman and he literally laughed/giggled throughout the entire movie. Even the slightest quip said by a character he chuckled. If there was a shot showing the damage done by Incubus, he'd go, "oh boy" or "wow".

 

That makes me happy. There was a old couple next to me too and they had a blast. That'll definitely be me if they are still doing CBMs then.

 

the guy behind me would go "hmph" at the end of every scene...

 

I had some teenage kid and his friends sitting next to me and they wouldn't stop talking about Margot Robbie's ass.

 

It's just not the type of joke I want to see in a movie like this. And he's supposed to be the ruthless uncontrollable monster. Killer Croc was truly mangled here.

 

All I'm saying is they better not fuck up the Flash..

 

Croc's head looked cool, but what was with the anorexic look. He needed to be way bulkier in my opinion.

I wanted to like Leto's Joker so bad.. I wanted

 

Not even super-villains are exempted from Hollywood's unrealistic image expectations