Spider-Man: Homecoming (July 7, 2017) Movie • Page 11

YAS.

 

I'm really intrigued by who is playing him. I'd assume from the way they announced things that it'll be Woodbine as Tinkerer and Marshall-Green as Shocker. You know we'll get some witty Spidey banter in that show down.

 

i'd be cool with those villains

 

DRONEZ OVR BRKLYN

 

Interesting. I really thought we'd get some adjusted form of Falcon's tech for that, but oh well. Not a fan of the mask, but I can't wait to see it in action.

 

Cast: Tom Holland, Michael Keaton, Zendaya, Donald Glover, Jacob Batalon, Laura Harrier, Tony Revolori, Tyne Daly, Bokeem Woodbine, with Marisa Tomei, and Robert Downey Jr.

Pretty interesting that Glover is right up at the top of the billing for this. It'd be cool if they kind of consolidated the 616 and Ultimate end of things to make Glover the Tinkerer AND Miles' uncle.

 

Glover as Tinkerer would be ok, would rly like him as Prowler though, gives us a chance for him to be in more movies

 

Tinkerer should really be an old dude. Not that it matters.

 

That Vulture looks bad.

 

It's been confirmed that Tony Revolori is playing Flash Thompson. Pretty awesome.

 

Oh, neat. Maybe he'll become Agent Venom someday.

 

Some more interesting reveals with the cast: Jacob Batalon is Ned Leeds and Laura Harrier is Liz Allen.

 

Oh... Ned Leeds? Huh, neat. I'm liking how diverse the supporting cast is in this one... even if it's still starring a white dude when it didn't need to.

 

That promo art reminded me of the ASM series movies....

 

I suppose this could be said about every movie. I'm not sure what these little digs about suppose to add to the conversation. Doesn't it all boil down to what the writers envisioned for the character?

 

How many MCU films aren't led by a white dude to this point? That's the problem. The writers "envisioning" that doesn't exonerate them.

 

I guess it's a tricky spot when adapting characters that the general public loves. I feel like they are getting more on point in the comics and films with diversity, this is definitely the most progressive time in history. I guess it's never enough though.

 

Tim's point was they could have used Miles. Your last two sentences tho, oof.

 

Well it's factual that we have more diversity in comics and media and more accepting of cultures, sexual preference, ect so yes, this is definitely the most progressive time in our history.

I can see the issue with the last sentence though, I meant it more as like it's obvious they are trying. Maybe not to the extent some people would like, but it's definitely there. Studios need to look out for their investments, look at what happened when they did something that shouldn't have been a big deal and made Ghost Busters with women. The backlash was ridiculous but it was still there and the movie suffered financially for. Making changes to a franchise people love is tricky so I don't blame Sony for keeping it safe with a character like Spiderman. I would love Miles, but it's not up to us.

 

It only doesn't "add to the conversation" about this film because it's not a conversation you care about.

As Nick pointed out, Marvel has a terrible, terrible track record with diversity. Yes, this could be said about any of their films released so far and most of their upcoming films, and the movie industry as a whole, but the Miles Morales discussion makes this particularly relevant here. (It's also particularly relevant for Doctor Strange for different reasons, but I guess that's another conversation.)

And, please don't pretend Marvel couldn't make a hit Miles Morales film. Star Wars: The Force Awakens had a next generation film with a white woman, a black man, and a Latino man as the leads. Creed continued the Rocky franchise with a black man as the lead. Mad Max: Fury Road revived the Mad Max franchise with a white woman as the lead. The whole Ghostbusters debacle was a little bit of a perfect storm in terms of backlash/narrative. If anything, the (I'd say unfair) backlash towards the Webb franchise and the love of Marvel Studios (who successfully sold a film with a talking raccoon and tree who are criminal besties; this can't be emphasized enough) made this a perfect opportunity to try something different.

You can't possibly tell me that an adult Peter Parker (maybe played by Tobey Maguire, who I loathe in the role but a lot of people bizarrely love, or maybe played by someone new), married to MJ, perhaps retired and with a young daughter, mentoring a very young Miles Morales, who would be the actual star of the film, set in the MCU wouldn't be a big hit.

 

I'd be cool with a Miles movie (as per Tim's last paragraph from above), but severely disappointed if it went without Peter Parker. I grew up loving him; those Fox Kids cartoons were my life. Not a diversity thing; simply a love for the character and his history.

 

At least we're being a young Peter this time. That's an exciting enough change to get my interest despite a missed opportunity with Miles

 

I love Peter too but we've had 5 Peter Parker films already and I'm sure there's a ton of people out there who would love a Miles film who aren't getting one.

I'm still excited for this but it's easy to see why people are disappointed and why they feel the need to keep expressing that disappointment.

 

To be fair, I agree with it being a conversation I don't care about as for reasons I listed above. I agree with you on Marvel's track record, even though I think they are correcting it currently as well.

The examples you gave are kind of strange though, you can't really compare making Spiderman black to creating new characters of a different race. People would have had a huge fit if Han Solo or Rocky were suddenly changed. Having a new character of color introduced along side the classic character worked for those movies perfectly. I'd be down for both, but I think people have stated here that they wouldn't be down for Miles and Peter to exist alongside eachother...