Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 322

Rian Johnson understands Star Wars better than JJ ever could.

 

'Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker' Heading Toward $190+ Million Debut - Box Office Mojo

SATURDAY AM UPDATE: With an estimated $90 million on Friday, Disney's Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is looking at a $190-195 million, three-day debut. The performance falls below the two most recent Skywalker saga features, and audience response to the film appears to be a bit below both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, which both received an "A" CinemaScore while Rise of Skywalker received a "B+".

 

I fail to see how Rey thinking her parents were nobodies but to instead learn that her lineage is that of a person that is the creator of the first order and empire is any easier than Luke learning his father was really the man that helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi. Luke not looking for an answer at that time doesn’t make it any more difficult to come to terms with than Rey, who now has to come to terms with what she was looking for was essentially what is trying to kill all her friends and is what also turned Ben to the dark side. Literally everything she is fighting against and hates was what she was looking for. I’d find that much more difficult to face imo.

I’d agree with Rian if her linage was that of Anakin or Obi-Wan, but not with it being Palpatine. Literally the most evil, biggest prick of the galaxy.

 

Hadn’t heard this phrase before, but does fit well for all the wayfinder stuff.

Fetch Quest - TV Tropes

 

I didn’t even realize that until now. Unoriginality aside I still like it.

 

Now knowing how terrible it was I hope I can find some sort of redemption during the second watch. At least my head won’t hurt from shaking it so much.

I think I would have been okay (to a degree) with one of two scenarios

1) The emperor never existing in the film
at all but her still finding out the Palpatine lineage

2) The emperor returning but no direct lineage to him

Also agree that her just stating her name as “Rey” at the end would have been great. Like who makes up their own last name and pretends it is their name. Lol.

Also who thought space horses were the way to go like wtf. I would have preferred they go back to Canto Bight and get the racing creatures over that nonsense

 

The Sith wayfinder treasure quest did give it an Indiana Jones sense of adventure opposed to a typical Star Wars.

 

As I said, that is what I expect a lot of people to feel about this movie *specifically because* it’s giving them shots of what they already like, again. It’s more clever manipulation than the garbage plan the Emperor has, that’s for sure.

 

Also a tad pointless given that they wanted to get to a place and the Emperor wanted her to get to the same place. Feel like he coulda just called her up and been like “Rey, bubby, I’m your white knight.”

 

I admit I like it, though. Definitely one of the reasons I enjoyed this so much.

 

Slightly bugged that they called it a Sith way finder and not just a holocron.

 

I truly don’t understand what you are arguing here. Lucas’ 6 films taught all kinds of lessons, but “anybody can be special” isn’t one of them. That’s okay. There are other valuable lessons it teaches. One franchise doesn’t have to communicate it all.

You could argue that Lucas’ vision began with this idea, but even then, Luke was still the son of a Jedi Knight. By the time the first six are over, it’s undeniable that Lucas’ vision for his movies had evolved past that: Luke was the son of the chosen one, a literal messiah like figure, who was created by a Sith Lord - and oh yeah, Leia is his twin sister. I don’t understand how this can be argued with?

Luke starts as a (kinda) nobody, but by the end we find out he actually was somebody special all along. This is literally what happens with Rey in these movies. The “twist” of RoS is consistent with 7 out of the 8 saga films before it (with TLJ being the exception, of course)

 

I will say I find your stance here interesting but I do ultimately disagree with it, which is a shame because I would enjoy the movie a lot more if that weren’t true

 

Ben kind of did that, Rey just refused to go with him while he was still Kylo Ren. Of course they could have stripped some of that plot down for smoother editing purposes, but oh well

 

That’s fine. It’s still fun to discuss and hear other opinions about the matter

 

I’m so glad I already know that trope so I don’t have to click that now and be tempted to stay on tv tropes all day.

 

Interesting take. That line of thinking softens the blow. I just think they set us up for one thing in TLJ and we got another. Goes back to the lack of vision for the trio logo at the start.

 

Remember when one of TLJ's main themes was failure and learning from it, and how not only do those lessons not come into play here but everyone's character is reset to how they were at the end of TFA? Ugh I think I hate this movie

 

I did word it poorly. I mean you’re confusing that Lucas actually had the vision for all 6 from day 1. While he surely had some ideas, he didn’t have the whole thing figured out.

 

My take from this trilogy is that some people look great playing old wise people and some don’t.

Do: Carrie Fisher

Don’t: Mark Hamil and Harrison Ford

 

completely agree with you. My point is that Lucas chose to develop his story in such a way that the person we thought was a nobody actually was a somebody - in fact, the most important somebody in the galaxy.

This is what the sequel trilogy does with Rey. I wish they wouldn’t have. My desire is that they would have stuck with the themes of the TLJ. Actually, my desire is that they would have had a plan - any plan - from the get go

 

Just imagining the ten year old that pitched this movie
: "Okay, so they have to find palpatine, who isn't dead. Doesn't matter how. To find him, you have to find TRIANGLES. to find the triangles, you have to find a KNIFE. BUT YOU CANT DECODE THE KNIFE BECAUSE ROBOT GOOD. CHEWIE DIES AND COMES BACK BOOM. KYLO DIES THREE TIMES."

 

I have a lot of thoughts. This movie really felt off right from the opening crawl and there's really not much I enjoyed.

Two things really needed to work for me to enjoy this movie: Palpatine's return needed to make sense and Rey's parentage answer needed to feel right. Both felt extremely shoehorned and that really made all the other flaws stand out more. The whole thing felt like one giant mess. It seems like there were things JJ wanted to see happen, so he just made them happen without really finding ways to have them make sense after TLJ. It feels completely separated from the first two. The entire First Order/Resistance conflict was scrapped just so we could have Palpatine back. The pacing of the movie was very rushed and off-putting and I found the plot hard to follow at times.

I'm always okay with them escalating force powers in each film, even in the prequels they at least felt somewhat grounded. But so much of what they did with the force just didn't work for me here. Especially Palpatine's super force lightning and sucking the life force out of Ben and Rey.

But I did like a few things. The scenes on the Death Star were solid. Han's appearance was a nice surprise (even though it felt like a lesser "what if" scenario of their meeting in TFA). Rey going to Ahch-To to do the same thing that Luke did was a nice touch. Lando's moment at the end with Janna was sweet as was Rey calling herself Skywalker. And hey it was minor characters, but it was nice to finally see a same-sex couple represented on screen.

I'm gonna give it a while, but I'll probably see it at least once more in theaters. I think maybe I'll have a better time with it now that I know what's coming. I'm trying to avoid being like the people who have been screaming about TLJ for two years, it's only a movie after all. But if I'm being honest, this might end up as my least favorite Star Wars movie.

 

That was Luke’s story. Anakin was truly a nobody. TLJ told us that anyone could be the hero and that the somebody (Luke) can
Be their inspiration. So it kind of put both together. This movie decided that only the Luke way matters.

 

As much as I didn’t like this, the prequels will always be worse than this.