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Son did slide from behind into his calf and not come close to getting ball, would've been a reasonable simple yellow imo but is a ref even allowed to change his mind like that lol

 

Yeah, a ref can change his decision right up until he restarts play or ends a half.

 

Absolutely bizarre how Everton didn't get a penalty for Alli punching the ball. I wonder what the logic behind that was.

 

this was my thinking. Aurier came in hard and I was thinking he was the reason for the injury. But I haven’t seen a replay to confirm it.

 

Yeah no one has a replay but Aurier was fucking flying in to that.

Ned ⚪️ (@DynxmicDuffy) Tweeted:
Here’s the other angle, not a red, it’s the resulting fall/ collision with aurier. #EVETOT https://t.co/xbIEf3lNFY

 

It was nobodies fault really. These things sometimes just happen in football.

I have seen multiple leg breaks live at football games, not once was it because of the opponent using excessive force. It was always freak accidents.

 

I hate Everton but it's 100% a red. Son slides in nowhere near the ball, with never an intention of playing the ball, and clips Gomes down on purpose. On its own it's a red, but the larger context was that Gomes had just elbowed Son in the face moments earlier and Son was looking for an opportunity to retaliate. That's the only reason he went to ground there, that's never a situation or an area of the field where you otherwise make that challenge. The idea your studs *need* to be up for a tackle to be dangerous or reckless is inane. Using that standard as a red line is fine when we're talking about 50-50 challenges where two guys are attempting to play the ball; the point of that is to establish what is a clean challenge and what isn't. Applying that standard here makes no sense because Son is not making a 'clean' challenge, he's not even playing the ball. He's just sliding directly at a guy's ankles.

 

Deep down I think part of the reason I'm so desperate for Liverpool to win the league this season is because it'll give me an excuse to walk away from football, at least for a bit. It's the one thing I've waited my life for my team to achieve. Win it and I think that might be the final tipping point.

 

I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with anything you’ve ever posted in here

 

Bayern firing Kovac

 

As if my weekend wasn't weird enough already...

Oh my, I don't even know how to feel. I always thought the criticism towards Kovac was way overblown. But then I also could not understand certain decisions of him, especially in the last weeks.
I don't even know who will be the new coach. It's not like there are many options available. I just hope we stay away from Mourinho, that would be the worst. I can actually see Wenger getting the job. I think if he had decided to leave Arsenal a bit earlier then we would have gotten him instead of Kovac one year ago already. And I really like him so I wouldn't mind that decision. But I don't know if it would work out at all.

 

While Son is coming from behind he is barely touching Gomes. It's never a red no matter how you twist it.

 

no, you have to automatically assume Son is intentionally tackling him because of another foul earlier in the game. That’s how it works. Always.

 

ya barely touched him

 

Thats the best you could come up with? A tiny still image with shitty resolution? Just watch the replay. I can see that the ref would give a yellow card, because he did not really have a chance to get the ball, but it is never a red, never. We would not even discuss it if Gomes hadn't been injured that badly.

 

It's disingenuous to pretend as though you need to be Clouseau in order to recognize Son had spent four minutes on the ground just *moments earlier* after getting elbowed in the face by Gomes. Then the first chance he gets at Gomes, he goes to slide through the back of him, nowhere near in the ball, in an area of the field that was not dangerous in terms of the game situation, a game they were winning. I'm not even sure what your reconciliation of the tackle is?

 

Wenger would be interesting, Mourinho doesn't seem like something Bayern would do but who knows. Allegri doesn't speak German so I assume that rules him out.

 

my reconciliation? it was a bad decision by Son. You can watch it in slow mo and find the shitty still images all you want but it’s never a red. Why do you think the ref initially gave a yellow.....because he was in perfect view of it and saw it was nothing but a yellow. He only made it a red because of the unfortunate injury that followed. But go ahead and assume Son was making a dirty play. You know, the guy who is the least dirty player and has zero reputation of that type of play.

 

So your reconciliation is that it was just happenstance that it was Gomes? That for some reason he was going to slide through the back of whoever that happened to be, eventhough the challenge made no sense in context of the game or the area of the field? Or are you acknowledging that he was targeting Gomes?

Ignoring Atkinson's general incompetence, referees generally don't instinctively give reds when a challenge doesn't cause a stoppage in play(obviously Son's tackle didn't stop the play, Aurier's did). That doesn't make Son's tackle less dangerous or reckless because it did not directly bring Gomes to the ground. Obviously if Son had come up with the studs and Gomes still played through it, you wouldn't argue that it wasn't a red just because it didn't take down Gomes. A reckless tackle is a reckless tackle.

Well at least you aren't biased. : p

I didn't call Son a dirty player, though objectively that was a dirty play. Even if you're arguing it wasnt a red because it wasnt what broke Gomes' ankle, the tackle itself was dirty. He intentionally slides at his ankles.

Sometimes people make rash decisions, even otherwise good players. I like Son a lot(and I was rooting for Spurs to win the game). Would just be silly from my perspective for me to act like he didn't just intentionally slide through the back of Gomes with no intent of playing the ball. Because it's what he did.

 

I don’t think it’s a red card but saying someone is the least dirty player is a rather interesting and seemingly unmeasurable distinction

 

I wasn’t being literal and saying he is the least dirty player ever. I was just saying he isn’t and never has been. And the reason I said it was because he was assuming Son went in for the tackle as retaliation.

 

because he did

 

Anytime I need to confirm the intention of a player I will come to you. For any game. For the rest of time.

 

It's fairly fecking obvious That son barely touched him. It was enough to send Gomes off balance but it wasn't reckless, or any more dangerous than 95% of tackles a game.