Accountability in Entertainment • Page 98

I don't understand the logic of coming into a thread like this that you never participate in just to dispute claims that you don't have conflicting information about. There are multiple people in the entertainment industry who have come out over the past few days to say that Ellen is an absolute horrible person to work for, thus creating an abusive and hostile work environment.

No one is "jump"ing on anything, no one is saying not to support her show or that she's "cancelled" or whatever. Just spreading the information provided.

 

Ah, I see I was wasting my time engaging in good faith. Apologies to the rest of the thread for wasting everyone else's time as well.

 

i dont participate in this thread for the very reason of the reaction im getting. Being told "to google it". So what's the point? I'm trying to have a discussion aobut the difference between hostile work enviornment and dick boss. Trying to figure out what "specifics" we should be looking out for?

Horrible person to work for. In what way?

 

engaging in good faith. all you did was tell me to google it

 

You're the one who is splitting hairs between a hostile work environment and a "dick boss", though. You brought up the dichotomy that you're asking people to define, under the guise that what Ellen has done (which we don't specifically know) is not that bad. You came in here with a bullshit argument about us simply calling out "mean people", taking away any sort of legitimacy to the claims of abuse by other people. I don't see why you'd think that you'd get a positive reaction.

 

Also, the entire argument of, “Don’t talk about accountability unless someone is a COMPLETE MONSTER (also you have to prove it),” is so eye-rollingly bad and part of why this kind of behavior is allowed to fester and grow everywhere in the first place. The fact that SO much of this is just accepted as normal is exactly why it needs to be talked about and changed.

 

So much workplace abuse in the entertainment industry gets excused. In some ways it all goes back to the Friends writers room harassment case, really, that decision was just so bad and really set the tone for lots of things that have come out in the years since re: hostile work environments and abusive workplace practices in Hollywood. Basically letting low-level employees know that the courts do not always have their backs and giving higher-ups the go ahead to continually cross lines that they should not be allowed to.

 

I have no idea if this is what you’re speaking to but contrasting it with Letterman’s hostility made me think of the difference between open, explicit mean-spiritedness and more subtle, cutting/undermining hostility. I think the latter is often much more looked down upon because it implies dishonesty and putting on a face, whereas with the former it’s more justified for the receiving end to simply be like “well we can all see what this person is doing to me, and I don’t like it, so I won’t be put in as awkward of a position if I’m open about not wanting to deal with it.”

And being a man or women obviously doesn’t preclude you from being one or the other but even with kids/adolescents, the former is definitely more often associated with men, eg physical fights and being loud mouthed, and the latter with women, eg Mean Girls

 

It's fine. Nevermind.

 

All Bosses Are Bastards tbh

 

Except this guy

 

o7

 

Ronan Farrow Book Alleges Matt Lauer Raped NBC News Colleague

Matt Lauer Fires Back at Rape Allegation in Open Letter

 

Apparently Ronan has been blacklisted by NBC Universal from appearing on NBC and MSNBC to discuss these topics

 

I was gonna comment about this yesterday. I’ve seen the same thing from time to time. I’m sure others do this as well, not saying it’s specific or unique to her, but I feel like I see it “easier” with her since she usually comes across so cheery and smiley so when this happens it really, really stands out.

(I vividly remember her doing this when all the little Kardashian kids were on and kept talking over her lol. Like I get it, kids can be annoying, but the look on her face was... more than just being a little upset it seemed lol)

 

I looked up this clip hoping to see something but I really have no idea what you're talking about lol. She looked normal the whole time

 

Idk maybe it wasn’t those kids or a different segment of that episode

 

When you’re having a normal one

 

Welp

 

I know he’s always been awful to some degree, but what happened recently that made it ramp up SO much?

 

the SJWs took away his free speech

 

Of course. How embarrassing for me.

 

Now he also cannot wait to meet you

 

at first i thought his comments were directed at Trump and i thought, "uhhh, pretty sure that's some type of crime to threaten the president like that" but i think he's commenting at the Seth guy so that's probably not a crime, right?