Joker (Todd Phillips, October 4, 2019) Movie • Page 33

I had a few buddies that really enjoyed it

 

Are you sure he was actually a cop haha
But yeah so many pricks

 

he 100% was. My manager at the time called the police on him and they confirmed he was a indeed off duty

 

Oh my god

Edit:

 

So I was thinking about the Dark Knight joker and why I like him and Ledger’s performance and not this one. I think giving the Joker a real origin is a mistake. In this one he’s a mentally ill man who is taken advantage of and beaten and as much as some might argue the movie doesn’t ask you to sympathize with him, just about every inciting incident is justified. The Wall Street bros are beating the shit out of him, it’s self defense.

More than that, the inciting incidents don’t lead to any actual psychology. The “Joker”, once he’s turned into full villain, doesn’t have much in common with Arthur Fleck. Arthur is a dweeb who belly laughs out loud when Robert DeNiro jokes “you know how the mayor plans to take care of the super rats? Super cats”. Then once he’s on DeNiro’s show he’s all “knock knock, who’s there, it’s the police your son died in a drunk driving accident” and it’s like... where did Arthur pick up that sense of humor?

The Dark Knight Joker has a mission, something he wants to prove. He’s chaotic, but he has a psychology and acts with purpose. This Joker doesn’t. He’s an empty homage to Travis Bickle and Rupert Pupkin.

 

Speaking just from what I've read in here by people who've actually seen it... I feel like this having no political stance is a political stance. It wants to be art for art's sake, have the luxury of existing in a vacuum and be analyzed solely based on its artistic merits. It wants to portray chaos with no meaning, no purpose. Anti-SJWs were mad at The Last Jedi because it tried to say something substantial about society, and they were uncomfortable with that. They'll eat this up solely because it doesn't have anything to say.

 

The idea of having a movie inspired by Taxi Driver and King of Comedy that....doesn't have anything to say...is just hilarious honestly lol

 

like my man must've just totally misunderstood those movies lol

 

One of my facebook friends just posted this Credible threat over 'Joker' temporarily shuts down movie theater

 

So is it wrong to like this movie if you appreciate the “it has nothing to say” status & don’t sympathize with the infidels? Cause if so, I have many nits to pick.

 

while I’m sure you’re spot on with your movie history comparisons, this comment made me wonder “what amount of history is relevant to the review of a current work?” Is it 20 years, 50 years? All of it?

 

Not everyone who dislikes The Last Jedi dislikes it for the wrong reasons, so... No?

 

Yeah all of it. Good directors are always pulling from the work that influenced them. Not all of it is so blunt, but even overt homage can work when it’s reimagined and repurposed to be something bold, like Tarantino often does.

Also you’re not wrong to like the movie. My friend was telling me today how much he liked it.

 

This forum has had probably the most negative reaction I’ve seen to the film. I see a lot of comments claiming it’s a masterpiece just like I see a lot here condemning it.

Honestly, I was pretty excited for the movie and it surpassed my expectations and eased any concerns about it being cringey edge fest. I found Joaquin’s performance equal parts heartbreaking and horrifying. I think a lot of people had their minds made up long ago.

 

I hate the assumption that someone not liking something means they had their mind made up before seeing it. It’s so dismissive of any criticism they may have of the movie. And by definition, if you were excited about this before seeing it, doesn’t that mean your mind was made up too?

It’s absolutely fine if people liked this. I know I gain nothing if someone agrees with me or doesn’t. They saw or connected with something I didn’t and it’s fun to hash it out.

 

It's so weird to me to say that the film was justifying every instance of violence, between the horror queues when violence erupts and the fact that he chased after the other wall street boy and shot him 3 more times.

 

I normally don't make assumptions that someone has their mind made up on a film ahead of time when they are talking about their criticisms but god the discourse around this film has been insufferable for months, the concerns of possible incel reaction coloring entirely too much imo.

I personally think this does an incredible job of portraying the joker as a nihilistic martyr in a horrifying way that DOES differentiate itself from Taxi Driver and TKoC (Both are much better movies still, but my biggest fear before seeing this was that it'd mimic them entirely). I still think the first two acts are mostly a waste, but I do really appreciate the final 30 or so minutes when the dam finally breaks.

 

Not quite what I meant there but posting from my phone so I tried to keep it brief. There’s almost certainly a contingent of critics that seemed to make up their mind solely on this weird attempt at turning the movie into a lightning rod for loner, incel types.

It’s also hard to take some of the criticism seriously when half the thread is just reposting garbage takes from Twitter influencers.

 

I said inciting incident, not every instance, and they were justifiable. The guys he killed were awful pricks.

 

The use of violence and the elation within is by far my favorite aspect of this movie and I've been turning that over in my head the most as terrible as a majority of the screenplay is.

Taxi Driver treats the violence as a horror show, this treats it as a release.

 

I don’t think I have ever been more curious to see a movie in my life. Such polar opposites of opinions all over the internet. 1PM Sunday cannot come soon enough so I can form my own view.

 

‘Joker’ ending explained: Director Todd Phillips on fan theories and open questions

This kind of explains it. I don’t think Phillips wants to side whether the ending is real or not.