Game of Thrones (HBO) TV Show • Page 486

Okay, I vehemently disagreed with most people who were saying that the people behind making the show have been slipping and not giving as much of a shit recently, but the articles / interviews that came out today with director David Nutter explaining why Jon Snow didn't pet Ghost goodbye do kind of paint that picture. At first he says it is too hard to do with how the wolves are created with CGI, but then he adds that he thought keeping him off to the side like they did was more powerful. That second part honestly sounds like a giant load of shit and he kinda tipped his hand with the first thought.

In the grand scheme of things I don't think this is a big deal at all, but I do think it was a little moment where the show stumbled and did not handle things in an emotionally satisfying way.

You could easily do it old school and have Jon walk up to Ghost but keep it like a medium shot and have the emotion play out on Jon's face and he's just reaching down and touching a white fur blanket or something because Ghost's fur is only just barely at the bottom of the frame.

Like I said, not a huge deal, but it reminds me of when Leia doesn't hug Chewie in The Force Awakens after Han dies. A little moment where they just whiffed.

 

Trust me, as a New Jersey Eye-talian I really should watch it, even if just for la cultura, but I've never had any motivation to lol. The Wire, on the other hand, is something I've always wanted/meant to watch and just haven't gotten around to.

 

It’s one of the only shows I’ve ever seen that no matter how hyped up it was it still surpassed my expectations. It’s incredible. Funnier than most comedies in some places, better character work than most shows devoted solely to that, and more surreal than most mainstream shows would ever risk being. The Wire is also beautiful and I don’t have any complaints about it, but it doesn’t hit me quite as hard on a personal level so Sopranos still tops it.

 

I recently just finished the Wire for the first time and it's not better than Breaking Bad or The Shield. Those shows felt like a more complete experience.

My post in the Wire Thread:

 

And yeah, The Americans is definitely “smaller” in scale and scope than most of the big names, but except for a few tangents in S5 I would put it up there with the best of them. It has just as flawless and complicated character work as The Sopranos, and nails the period piece feel so beautifully.

 

I am currently trying to get my wife on board with The Americans being the next thing we watch.

 

It’s suuuuuper painful in some places, but that’s the only real warning I would give about it. I’m currently on a rewatch and it’s even more impressive the second time around.

 

Bro

 

I'll also confess to having never seen the Wire. I've only seen one season of the Sopranos.

 

I have to reevaluate this entire thread now. Please be patient in this delicate time.

 

This x 1000%.

Couldn't agree more and the last part about Leia and Chewie was a good comparison to my thoughts on the scene.

 

I don’t know if I’m emotionally prepared for another rewatch of that show. I’m still healing from the last season.

 

I’m also not prepared but that hasn’t stopped me. Lol. Every time I start one I’m like, “Why am I doing this to myself?!” And then it’s amazing and I remember why.

 

Alright, gave it a bit more thought and here's the director's cut, final draft version of my uberdaddy GoT theory. Hold onto your big boy handles, its time to let'er rip:

So I have a gut feeling a lot of brutal moments will happen next week. Possibly a level of tragedy we haven't seen since the Red Wedding. I also wonder if I haven't figured out how the show ends (no, I have not read the leaks!). Basically I think the major deaths will happen like this:

Arya learns that Jamie turncoated to the Lannisters again. Thing is, Jamie is ACTUALLY planning to kill, or at least stop, Cersei. But there's just no way he could possibly convince anyone of that with the possible exception of Brienne, and he already kinda told her he was going back to King's Landing in a way that suggests he just wants to hook up with Cersei again, not stop her. So Arya, ninja that she is, eavesdrops on a conversation and hears about this. I don't know what exactly will spark her decision to assassinate him but I think something will happen and she will find an understandable enough reason from her perspective to kill him. So she does. Taking advantage of this, she then claims his face. Maybe the reasons come down to Jamie isn't trustworthy enough + using his face can be a checkmate move to get the drop on Cersei and kill her, winning the war completely this time.

Before the battle, she rides to King's Landing, arriving there a day before the troops. She walks into the gate with ease, but due to the events surrounding Jamie's departure she has trouble getting into direct contact with Cersei and her circle. She stealths her way inside as the battle begins. Once inside, she manages to sneak into Cersei's quarters. She fools Cersei into thinking she's Jamie at first. A psychological cat and mouse game ensues. In the end, she bodies Cersei. Cersei cries out something like, "the prophecy WAS true! Why Jamie?" At that point Arya removes her Jamie mask and says, "My name is not Jamie."

A few seconds after it seems like the war is over and Arya is home free, the Mountain enters the room. I'm not sure if there will be a fight or if he simply gets the drop on her, but it will end the same way: a disgustingly gruesome death for Arya. The tragic irony being that her occasionally excessive ruthlessness (I mean she didn't necessarily HAVE to put needle into that guy's neck or murder everyone in House Frey to feed them to Walder before cutting his throat, just sayin'), righteous as it was, ended up catching up to her. And let's face it, her character arc mostly palindrome'd when she killed the night king, a personification of death, and saved Winterfell. Death catches up to everyone, and there would be some tragic poetic irony with her being killed by Gregor in his current state. Not only a zombie, a kind of personification of death, but one of the names at the top of her kill list. But Arya will not go quietly into that cold night - her character arc heavily centers on telling death to fuck off, and that's more or less exactly what her last words to zombie Clegane will be as she stabs a certain Valyrian steel dagger into his head.

But, being a zombie, not to mention being extremely hard to kill even while fully alive, it's not a killing blow to him. He is still a threat.

Cut to The Hound. He learns of Arya's death. And he learns that it was The Mountain who killed her. He finds The Mountain. He also finds The Mountain is carrying a large torch as a weapon. He also notices that the Mountain is approaching Sansa (not sure why she would be in Kings Landing again, but maybe it will still play out that way for whatever reason). He fights with himself for a moment before putting into action what he knows he must do. Cleganebowl begins.

Both monstrous men engage in a primal battle. The Mountain is more powerful than ever and seemingly as unstoppable as a literal mountain in his attempts to close in on Sansa. The Hound gets FUCKED up every time he tries to attack/stop him. But in the end, however he does it, he manages to slay the monster that's haunted him since childhood. But he's mortally wounded. Sansa thanks him, and in his final moments he says something to the effect of "now fly away little bird". and closes his eyes, dying a noble death.

These are the character deaths that I feel somewhat most certain about. It's GoT though, and that stuff tends to be unpredictable so I could be wrong. But I think, for these characters at least, it would be a pretty meaningful way for them to go out. I also think Jon and Dany will die. Mainly because, important as they are, realistically their behavior during combat is often just too fuckin' stupid for them to keep living through all these battles lol. I don't know how they will die, but my guess is Dany will lose the plot by letting her emotions get the best of her and Jon will do something that's as selfless as it is reckless and both will play a significant role in winning the battle before its over.

Alright, now the ending. Basically among the survivors there will be Tyrion, Sansa, Bran and Varys. They destroy the throne (which we learn is the "wheel" that Dany was referring to). All that corruption, abuse of power, all of the betrayal, mass killings, the brutality and chaos in Westeros, all of that madness has been cycling because of that throne and what it represents. They destroy it and begin a new counsel in the memory of Jon and Dany and everyone else who fought for this moment. It will be a hym for those loved ones lost in the war and for a new beginning. A song of ice and fire, you might say! Kaboom!

 

That’s basically a mix split down the middle between what I expect to happen and what would shake me from apathy into actual anger, nothing in between. Arya killing Jaime because of some kind of West Side Story nonsense and then taking his face so the last time he sees his sister on screen it isn’t actually him is near the top of my list of what would make me tear my hair out.

 

Yeah I can't quite think of what would truly motivate her to kill him as of now. It would probably have to be for a better reason than that tbh.

 

Arya and the Hound already left Winterfell so she couldn’t overhear anything

 

Welp. I guess it's possible she could still cross paths with Jamie on the way to King's Landing though. Maybe he gets killed by someone or something else, and when she sees his corpse she gets the idea to use his face to her advantage when she gets there. Even though they left on bad terms, if there's one person Cersei truly DOESN'T want to kill, someone she would let her guard down to, it's probably Jamie.

 

I was very positive (prior to episode 3) that Arya would make it through the show but since she did kill the NK some part of me thinks she might end up being killed via some ridiculous way.

The Mountain is a viable option. Wildfire might be another if she’s trapped in the city and they decide to go that route and someone blows it up.

 

This gives me a thought....maybe the impetus for Jon to kill Dany isn’t just that she’s going mad queen, but that she’s doing it while Arya is in the city. Like he finds that out and decides he has to end it.

 

The Wire is miles better than Breaking Bad and The Shield, why would you go around posting this?

Edit: I didn't read the prior posts where these other shows were discussed, I just thought I would write this funny (to me) response to you posting about three shows completely unrelated to GOT in this thread. I wasn't trying to be flippant, you like what you like. Although The Wire is objectively better in almost every way

 

Now that you mention it I bet Wildfire is more likely to be the source of fire that Sandor might have to contend with there.