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every tech CEO is like this i'm positive

 

That’s one of those things that started in the last two years that makes me very excited about 2020 /s. Massive association dunking.

This person worked for Hillary, or that person likes Obama, or that person did this for Bernie here, and it’s so tiring.

 

very cool and certainly good

 

I don't think in a vacuum calling someone "buttchug" would be a homophobic slur. The term doesn't refer to any kind of sex at all. As Jason pointed out, however, common sense and basic human decency would point towards simply not calling Pete Buttigieg "Pete Buttchug". Mocking his name is actively using words to purposely hurt him. The argument 'I didn't mean to offend you in *that* way is an empty argument' and the only response to that is "Fuck you."

I don't know who those guys are, but I feel like they are probably smart enough to realize the connotations of calling him that and hiding behind semantics because you didn't say anything that is an outright homophobic slur is fucking cowardly.

Also, just as a general rule, I FUCKING HATE the whole 'messing-up-someone's-name-on-purpose schtick'. It is no better here than when people on Fox News purposely mess up AOC's name. If you don't like Pete Buttigieg's positions and policies and think he is a terrible candidate, that is fine. Tell people why. Referring to him as "Pete Buttchug" is not doing that.
The guy is a Rhodes Scholar. You know who laughs at purposely messing up a Rhodes Scholar's name into something juvenile and hateful...? People like Donald Trump and Donald Trump, Jr.

 

Honestly, very few things are worse for my mental health than Twitter. I don’t even have an account. But I visit certain journalists page or see something here and then I’m sucked into it. And I get irrationally angry.

I’m doing better about avoiding it. But I truly wish that site was eradicated from existence.

 

But is he wrong I say as I read twitter and get mad

 

“Pete Buttchug” is obviously meant to be derisive. It’s a middle school level insult. You could even make a valid claim that it could hypothetically cause Pete to think back to the days of people making homophobic jokes at him. But for people to say it *is* homophobic, full stop, is blatantly disingenuous. And yes, the way in which you make fun of or attack or offend someone does matter — There are types of insults and lines of attack that we categorize as acceptable and unacceptable. The people who went after Ilhan Omar claiming she was anti-Semitic were well aware that they could ride that wave longer than if they went after her for what she was actually saying. There’s no good faith criticism being made with that sort of thing, it’s just a thinly-veiled excuse for an attack.

 

I don’t understand the need to double down or argue about this? What’s easy to say is “im sorry I didn’t think about it that way, now I have and I’ll stop” — this is basic stuff we hope kids know these day. Don’t make ass and butt jokes at gay people’s expense is a relatively easy line to not cross and see why it’s not cool and will upset people.

 

~surrender~yourself~to~the~void~

No shit lol

 

OF COURSE this dipshit is from Massachusetts!

 

nothings changed or been learned

 

And three months later he’s eating oranges with the skin on and we kinda shrug lol

 

My nights less fun

 

Again, there’s a difference between good faith criticism being made where you do have a responsibility to respond in earnest, and someone looking for an excuse to attack you in bad faith. On a micro, single case example of the latter, sure it can come off as petty to not just apologize in order to move on with it. But in a broad scale context, it’s exactly the kind of thing that leads to people consciously using it as a weapon for either their own advancement or as a way to delegitimize others. The people calling Christman homophobic and then trying to tie it into Bernie and the left in general, and the people who tried calling Omar and AOC anti-semitic - they wouldn’t give a shit whether those people earnestly apologized to them, because that very obviously isn’t their goal.

 

Arguing about Chapo is really 2017 you guys

 

I’m a day late to this clip but how can anyone watch something like this and think that he doesn’t have dementia

When my grandma would talk like this it just made me really sad. When Trump does it I just have to laugh at the millions of people who see that and think “hell yeah tell em boss”

 

It is cheese.

 

You responded to me explaining to someone else why it could be seen, in good faith, as not great. Pulled away from that specific tweet, it's a thing people should be aware of, like using the term "butthurt" and why it can be harmful to some. I'm telling you this, in good faith, that I do not like when people make those kinds of jokes. It bugs me. It's not hard to separate that specific tweet and the problems with how it was worded, and what it's trying to tie to whom, and the actual content itself.

And this is exactly what I warned against in 2016 that all these petty "dunkings" on Twitter would end up creating only bad faith arguments and hurt feelings in the left. The bad faith goes all ways now because being mean became part of the entire brand. The game of 'who can get the most likes by making fun of this "neoliberal that worked with Clinton"' became a weird part of twitter and pulling people out of context and only reading bad faith into their statements is a huge part of that. People saying something a little awkward gets pulled out of context, quoted, and laughed at all the time. It's a stupid game that everyone plays and it's boring.

All of a that aside, because I was responding to the issue outside of who tweeted about it, there's still a reason why you shouldn't make butt/ass jokes about a gay guy and why it bugs me, personally, when people do it.

 

Lol

 

I mean it’s like 100% name recognition at this point but it is a bit weird that the top two in every poll are old white dudes

 

Christ