2019-2020 NFL Season Thread [ARCHIVED] Football • Page 340

I don’t think Cleveland whiffing on those picks makes it any better or worse of a trade for the Eagles

If Wentz continues to look like a franchise QB, it was worth it, and if he’s not, it was a smart trade executed poorly by Cleveland

 

I agree. Who the other teams eventually draft with those picks have nothing to do with whether or not it's a good trade, it's all about the person they traded for and how he does and so far, it almost assuredly was the right move.

 

It was right before the lowest point of the Factory of Sadness, so I'm just numb to it!

 

Wellllllll I respectfully disagree lol they traded out of the spot where they had the opportunity to draft Wentz so of course it's about the draft picks they get in return and who they took with said picks, and for the Browns it was an absolute disaster. I think it's far to judge it that way now, 3 years later

Even if Wentz has just an average career from now on it was still worth it for Philly cause they got a SB out of it, obviously he didn't play in the game but he got them 85% of the way there and his rookie contract afforded them ultimate flexibility to construct the roster.

 

Mayfield > Wentz

 

There’s something to be said about not wanting to pick a QB and throw him into the dumpster fire that was that browns team. Both teams did the right thing, even if they whiffed in a bunch of picks

 

This is a wonderful point

 

Just remember that it would've been Carson Wentz going into Hue Jackson's offense. Retroactively, everything was lose/lose at that point. It set off the timeline to get where we are today, so I'm okay with it.

 

Look at Wentz in 2016 with that team around him and imagine him going to an even worse supporting offense and coaching system. Oof

 

I kinda wonder if Wentz would've been okay in that situation anyway given how good he is at improvisation but that roster was also very bleak at the time

I still think getting Mayfield at the time the Browns did is better though obviously

 

If this makes any sense, I think there’s a difference between “it’s a disaster for Cleveland”, which is true mainly because they executed very poorly and whiffed on just about every pick from the trade, and looks even worse because Wentz has so far looked like what you want from a QB drafted that high, and “it’s a win for Philly”, which is only based off if Wentz lives up to the draft billing

 

Yeah. A bad O-line outside of Thomas and Pryor/Hawkins/some rookie WR replacing Coleman/Barnidge with Crowell/Duke was pretty bad, but it's also Hue.

Honestly, that cavalcade of Browns QBs in 2016 went: 3,693 yds, 15 TDs, 14 INTs, 6.5 Y/A, 77.4 rating, 66 sacks
Wentz in 2016: 3,782 yds, 16 TDs, 14 INTs, 6.2 Y/A, 79.3 rating, 33 sacks

He might've done a little better than them or he might've really got the hell beat out of him with that O-line. We'll never know.

The one thing I do know: He wouldn't be as dangerous.

 

I’m guessing he won’t last that long on waivers, but I wouldn’t be upset if the Colts claimed Kindred

 

What is the point of a trade and the review of such if you don’t go back and look at what they ended up getting in the said deal?

I remember the deal was celebrated for Cleveland and how they got an absolute load for the pick and then in typical Cleveland fashion, they shit all over themselves.

Of course as stated, Wentz would probably be out of the league (or already traded for a 2020 7th) if he went to that dumpster fire so I guess they were bound to lose either way.

 

I think it’s fair to look at who “won” the trade. A trade by default isn’t smart if you get shitty players out of it. Draft picks only have as much value as the players you pick with them.

 

Look back on the Herschel Walker trade. Before the massive amount of picks were used to draft someone, it was clear that Dallas won the trade because they got an absolutely bounty of picks for very little in comparison.

Now if they whiffed on every single pick, that would be terrible management on their part but the trade itself would still be considered a huge windfall for Dallas.

 

That was still a great trade for Cleveland. They just messed up at every turn haha

 

Like, the trade is over once the deal is signed. What they end up doing with the picks is an entirely different thing, imo

I do get why people like to look at them as one thing though, I just don't agree but it is what it is.

 

I would phrase it like “they took a potentially good trade and made it an AWFUL trade with the decisions they made”

 

The Eagles also flipped Bradford for a 1st which helped them a TON offsetting costs spent on Wentz but that happened outside the initial trade

 

Like are we still praising the haul of picks Cleveland got after they wasted ALL of them and went 0-16 that year? No? Then it wasn’t a good trade haha. Literally doesn’t matter at ALL that they got a haul of picks. No one is looking back at 2016 thinking “damn Browns got highway robbery from the Eagles”

At the time it seemed like an amazing trade but hindsight tells us the trade was terrible and there’s no reason to separate picks from players chosen after the fact

 

Randall has been fairly quiet the last week. Guess no JAGS news to discuss with @CarpetElf

 

Their trades were great but the players they chose to draft with those picks weren't great. It's two different things.

 

Thats literally not what a trade is lol. The trade is the picks, not the draft.

 

I think looking back at that trade now is irrelevant considering the massive turn around the Browns have had. Up to this point you could say it's not a win entirely for the Eagles considering Wentz can't stay on the field.