2019-2020 NFL Season Thread [ARCHIVED] Football • Page 96

Alright, my first Madden franchise from this year is done. The year is 2030.

Drew Brees is still the NFL passing leader.
Baker Mayfield is the leader in TDs
Zeke in rushing yards.
Guice in rushing TDs
DJ Moore is 2nd in receiving yards by like five yards and a distant 2nd in TDs
Khalil Mack is the leader in sacks. Garrett is 4th.

Started with the five first round rookie QBs. Only Baker and Lamar are still on my team. Lamar won MVP six times. Baker won once. Traded Rosen to the Lions after six seasons. I released Darnold after three years. Funny enough he ended up getting picked up by the Jets and is still there which is weird cause he's still bad. Allen retired in like 2023.

My favorite part of this is Deshaun Watson is a four time MVP and has seven Super Bowl losses with the Bills. He also turned Mark Andrews into the GOAT TE somehow. CMC got an MVP. 25k total career yards, 203 total TDs. GOAT.

There's maybe only 20 current players still here and somehow DJ Chark is one of them and I did not ever have him on my team. Sean McDermott, Dan Quinn, Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, Pat Shurmur, and Steve Wilks are the only current coaches remaining, which I find hilarious.

Anyway. There's that.

 

I will eat pretty much anything



Except pickles

 

Guess what? GO BRUINS.

 

the Patriots made the playoffs one time after 2018.

 

i can't even fuck with you like that cause who cares lol you owned the last two decades so you're probably fine with taking one off.

 

pickles suck and I take them off my chick fil a sandwich

 

I am unfuckable with.

Parades and champagne ya’ll.

 

you're all terrible

where's @Fucking Dustin

 

Don’t be mad because I’m drinking long islands.

 

Colts fan coming in here with the only good take

Pickles are fine. I’m not raving about them, but I’m not ordering a Chick-fil-A sandwich without them or anything because I’m not a horrible person

 

Capers on salmon / in scampi pasta too. Thats an awesome flavor profile that’s similar to pickles on a sandwich. Sometimes that tart vinegar flavor just works with savory meats.

I’d serve steak frites with pickled beets or pickled green beans as well.

 

OH and creole breaded, hot sauce topped fried pickles with herb ranch dip. Mmmmm.

 

yes. precisely.

god dammit i'm alone on an island with Randall and Cowboys Fan.

 

Also, genuinely curious, is there evidence for any position besides QB or pass rushers having a significantly higher hit rate in the first round? People dog on picking RBs or interior linemen in the first round, but it doesn’t really seem like there’s any position besides those two that often requires a ton of draft capital to get a sure thing. At a certain point, talent is talent regardless of position (with the exception of those two)

 

I simmed 10 years for funsies and Lamar Jackson finished with 95k passing yards and 819 touchdowns. DJ Moore retired two touchdowns away from Jerry Rice's record.

Something called Venson Hemingway has 404 sacks wtf.

 

Thank you for reminding me of one of Randall's most fruitless campaigns - Brandon Scherff is a tackle. Another guard taken high!

But also, I don't believe in the positional taboos. Derwin James and Quenton Nelson were top five prospects and everyone who passed on them and didn't take a QB made a mistake or were the Broncos.

 

QB, pass rusher, wide receiver, and offensive tackle all require high draft investment imo.

There are also definitely positions that are easier to find talent later. For example, WR and CB tends to dry up a lot sooner than interior OL and DL. Seems easier to find starting talent late if it’s not a “skill position.”

Scherff panned out but that doesn’t mean he was good value where he was drafted. I was wrong about him being a tackle; fine. To me that means, at his draft spot, he was kind of a disappointing pick.

 

This is an invented narrative you're sticking to. If you draft an all-pro player, you draft an all-pro player. Think they're sitting there going "damn we should've taken Ereck Flowers?"

It's not "easier to find talent later" so much as "people tell themselves certain things and create self-fulfilling prophecies" If 32 teams look at a 1st round caliber guard and all consciously say "nah he's a guard", it's not "talent that's available later" it's "talent that people let fall due to superstition"

 

There are at least 21 items on that list that Randall posted that I never touch

 

Things I learned this morning: Deion Sanders played two years for the Ravens.

I don’t remember that at all.

 

Nah. Using past trends to make better draft decisions in the future is not an invented narrative. It’s called deductive reasoning haha. I’m drawing conclusions from an EXISTING narrative. Don’t know why you’re working so hard to discredit that - nobody is psychic... so the only way to study draft value is to study what teams have done in the past and how well that’s worked for them. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it, type of thing.

Like, it’s easy to find certain talent later BECAUSE other teams are willing to wait on those positions. You separated those two things in your post, but they are actually connected. It matters that teams tend to wait to draft a quality guard cause that means you can wait too and still get one.

If you can get a good guard later but you can’t get a good WR later then obviously the WR is the better early round value, to give yourself a chance at a good player at both positions. CONVERSELY, if you need both positions, go for a guard and then all the top WR are gone, well, you fucked up because several teams probably got starting guards in round 3-4-5, but once the popular WR1s & WR2s are gone it’s very slim pickings.

It may be team perception that creates these value trends but that doesn’t mean you can ignore / dismiss it. Even though it’s a self fulfilling prophecy, that’s still the reality of where players are drafted, and one team can’t change the minds & patterns of 31 other teams. So a team going rogue and making decisions against the grain, is more likely to screw themselves out of a good draft & miss some key targets, than they are likely to come out ahead. Because no one drafts in a vacuum. A draft is competitive and you’re trying to get good players before other teams, so other teams decisions matter.

Theoretically, you’re arguing that the egg came before the chicken, my response is “yes but that doesn’t change the fact that chickens now exist and they are the ones who lay more eggs” lol. Teams dictate the value of players by position whether you agree with it or not. Teams already tend to value guards the least of any offense or defense position, even if that’s just “perception” that still affects how value pans out in the draft.

 

At least recently, first round WRs have not been ideal. Just glancing at this list over the past decade (and not including this year), maybe 1 in 3 have panned out this decade with plenty of value in later rounds

NFL.com Draft 2018 - NFL Draft History: Full Draft Year

 

I still think it’s more likely to find a top WR in the early rounds. (Although “first two rounds” is probably more accurate for the WR position, than “first round.”) 1 out of 3 sounds like believable odds but I’m sure the chances aren’t any better as you go later in the draft.

I also think that teams go for high risk / high reward early, and more of the players with “safe” skillsets who lack those outstanding traits get taken later and are only expected to become WR3s. Naturally, lowering the bar for late round WR makes it seem like more of them panned out... but really that’s only because you expect less from them so any consistent production is a pleasant surprise.

Also it’s not like early drafted WR who didn’t become a WR1 are useless cuttable talent lol. Usually they still become WR2 or WR3. Typically an early receiver who “disappointed” is still at LEAST as good as the average later round WR who meets expectations. Even if you swing and miss on an early receiver, youre still getting a higher floor out of that player for the most part.

Sammy Watkins is a good example - didn’t pan out to his potential, but still better than the vast majority of WR picked round 3 or later, which still would justify taking him over most talented guards (who often stay on the board until round 3).

 

I find this headline funny for some reason. "Ah good job not being good enough to participate in real practice"

Colbert On Rudolph's Rookie Season: 'He Was Awesome In Running Our Scout Team' - Steelers Depot