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I want to use such terms because I think its foolish to think that all terrorism is the same and can be effectively fought in the same manner. It behooves us to try and understand the sources of terrorism. And a major source of that is the ideology behind jihad. White supremacy is also a common source of terrorism. Zionism too. To complete ignore these factors loses a big tool in combating them.

 

Former Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank says Orlando shooting reinforces case for surveillance of 'Islamic Element'

"Lesser evil"

 

and if it appears in other violent, obvious forms, like the Planned Parenthood shooter, it's seen as "not on the same scale"

 

Why and how?

 

Are people killing out of hate or loyalty to some higher power? Are they working on their own or in groups? Are they targeting people in general or a specific group? All of these are different for different acts of terrorism but often common around the same source so understanding the common trends and how they differ seems useful to me. (In the Orlando case, for example, it certainly seems to have more in common with something like Charleston than something like Paris but I also think its still worth trying to understand how the killers religious ties did or didn't factor into his decision to murder 50 people)

As far as the "how" goes, how e fight terrorism is an incredibly complex question that I don't feel qualified to try to come up with a solution towards. All I can do is look at proposed solutions and see if they make sense to me.

 

People should check this book out as well. It is quite prescient:

Terrorist Assemblages | Duke University Press

 

absolutely, it's frustrating because a lot of people view it as a zero-sum game and it's anything but. i'm sorry if you felt your experiences were excluded by phrasing, I didn't intend for that at all.

do you mind talking about why you don't enjoy talking about this?

 

god no one should ever be policy agnostic

 

never mind - it doesn't matter anymore. sorry if i've bothered anyone about it.

 

People being targeted and discriminated upon because of religion or anything else for that matter is a shame - but I think the people that would hold the ignorant bias and discriminate will hold those views regardless of what anybody calls that attacks. When I hear someone call an attack "radical Islamic terrorism" it doesn't make me hate all of Islam by any means.

The point I was trying to make...if you leave the fact that he pledged allegiance to ISIS out of the story you are leaving a piece of the puzzle out - similarly - would be reporting that he attacked a nightclub - leaving out that it was a gay nightclub would be ignoring a piece of the puzzle

 

Points on socioeconomic issues and the repercussions they have I think is very valid.

Though partly imo you are painting with a broad stroke - these people of western civilizations and governments don't care for us? You are lumping everyone together - while at the same time fighting against the use of specific terminology because you are concerned it lumps and entire religion together.

 

One thing I'll never understand, just a random thing that bugs the fuck out of me. As soon as these tragedies happen, the left immediately goes to gun control,
and the right immediately goes to immigration. But both sides act disgusted at the other for 'politicizing' the event. You both are politicizing it. Just because you don't agree with their views, it doesn't make it any better for you. "Well it's okay for us to do it since we're right." I'm so tired of politics in this country.

 

this. Another thing that especially bugs me when people talk about how they're "sick of seeing everyone focus on ASPECT A over ASPECT B".

For this tragedy Aspect B is the LGBT aspect of this. Because like, I don't know about everyone else, but I've seen pretty much no "we stand with Orlando" that isn't focused on the LGBT aspect.

 

No, this thread is just as much yours as anyone else's! You can also pm me if you want me to talk about this directly.

 

#notallwhitepeople

I think you're missing the point.

 

do not ever apologize for talking about yourself or your experiences!!

 

True.

 

Because whenever it's a white shooter, or racially or misogynistically motivated, the right have fuck all to say, and they at best throw the mentally ill under the bus.

 

Also are you kidding? So. Fucking. Many. Didn't even mention the lgbtq aspect, or even deny that it's different at all. Trump's statement didn't even discuss that the victims were queer, just masturbatory bigotry.

 

Enlighten me please

 

I could give a shit about Trump but he def. mentioned the lgbt community.

 

If you're a person who is Muslim or of Middle Eastern descent, your distrust and feelings about the west and its governments are rooted in their representation on an institutional level that then is manifested in actual practices that affect your life, both here and in the areas in which American imperialism has taken an interest. What's more, the arenas in which policy is determined is largely in agreement about your death and policing being legitimate. That is not the case when the tables are turned, so the equivalence you are making here does not make any sense.

 

Yeah I disagree - the problem of speaking in generalizations can be had on either side - imo

 

TN state rep to give away AR-15s at fundraiser

 

read any republican statement