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so you hate white men?

 

Heterosexism is institutional:

Blood Donors Needed After Orlando Gay Club Shooting, But Queer Men Are Banned

 

You're an idiot

 

100% agree. Like I said, this is not about religion. It is about access to weapons we use to kill, it is about the lgbtq community still being held as others to condemn, and it is about ideology, one greater than religion, that states that human rights and a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, do not apply to all humans.

 

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~lhc/docs/achillembembe.pdf

 

The Tsarnaev brothers murdered people with pressure-cooker bombs and nails. Obviously this was not about access to cooking supplies and Home Depot gift cards.

The culprit is not the means, it's the motive. The issue is that people believe in a vile ideology that is entirely inconsistent with Western values, that preaches death to all non-followers, and death to anyone that breaks their rules.

This man believed in this vile ideology and did what he believed was mandated by it and invoked it while committing the act.

 

This is not the fucking time for Islamophobia.

 

Yes, and most other terrorist attacks use guns. It's not going to be a foolproof end to all attacks, but to say it won't have any effect is fallacious in the extreme.

 

Trigger warning. His ex-wife discussing how he was abusive, non-religious, etc. Looks like toxic masculinity is operative here, with radical Islam being the framework through which it was expressed.

Ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter: ‘He beat me’

 

I'm really really sorry because it's a really bad time for questions like this. But how can a lgbt person identify as a christian or a muslim ? I'm not trolling or trying to be insensitive, i just simply cannot wrap my head around this. The holy texts condemn lgbt people without a doubt. Both religions in their current most prevalent forms are hostile against gay people, aren't they ?

 

Faith can be a fluid entity. For many people, religion is about personal interpretation. Many Christians and Muslims have a broad, liberal understanding of the texts and beliefs, and therefore allow room for inclusivity. Others who have a strict, narrow view of the faith take the texts down to the letter. This is where you find the rampant bigotry and discrimination. It ultimately comes down to an individual's personal and unique interpretation.

 

Yep as an ex Christian there are plenty of Christians who are 100% comfortable with all types of sexuality and gender identities. Because the Bible is such an old text from a completely different culture with an infinite number of interpretations, a lot of Christians don't feel that the commonly used verses are relevant, interpreted properly, literal, applicable in 2016 America as much as 50 AD in Corinth. Believe Out Loud is a wonderful organization dedicated to this issue.

 

not all christians are bad people, and not all christianity is bad. my childhood friend, who's lesbian, married a trans woman in a christian church, officiated by a christian pastor, for example.

if you haven't already, listen to "julien baker", a fantastic artist who openly identifies as queer, and as christian.

 

It's a matter of how one contextualizes and interprets the text and how central textual literalism is to their faith. For many Christians and Muslims, they were brought up under the teaching that the written texts are allegorical and they themselves grew to appreciate the historicity of the texts' creation. Even as a preteen, I identified the lack of verifiability of the bible's creation: that it had been transcribed and translated so many times and either absent oversight or with clearly spurious or nefarious oversight. Even as an 18 year-old atheist, I embraced biblical contextualism by tracing the condemnation of homosexuality to the same time period that the Jewish people were exiled from the sexually liberal Mesopotamian civilization.

Furthermore, many religiously identify as a personal connection to their cultural or familial roots. When I became a Christian again, it was a tenuous reversion due primarily to personal tribulation and, in reverting, I had to strongly reform my grasp of Christian concepts. Said concepts later informed and reiterated my sense of economic justice and solidarity that I had gained between the ages of 18 and 20. Accordingly, verses that seemed arbitrary and punitive (camel through the eye of a needle, etc.) became powerful applications of Christian inclusivity to a stratified world.

 

The shooter had been investigated by the FBI three times before for potential ties for terrorist ties, yet he was still able to purchase firearms legally. Something is seriously wrong with that.

FBI interviewed Orlando shooting suspect 3 times

 

This is part of the complexity. It's his right to hold religious beliefs, no matter how extreme. Simply saying that he is a sympathizer of ISIS is not a crime, and it's not grounds for prosecution.
You cannot take away one's life, liberty, or property without due process - he committed no crime, so there were no grounds to take away his right to own a gun.

 

he's the fucking worst.

 

Here Are All The People Applauding The Orlando Gay Club Shooter

The hatred that some people have for us is actually shocking... Why are people like this?

 

Fuck Milo

 

I wish we could go one single week without some troglodyte manchild killing women or LGBT people (or both) for no reason other than their own insecurities. I'm so far beyond "how can this happen" at this point, because it's such a regular part of our world, and it's so fucking sad.

 

I know I shouldn't be surprised r/gaybros is fucking mess right now, considering how racist and conservative-leaning they are, but they're a fucking mess right now

 

So right. I'm already seeing so much fake-ally shit around queer folks used to frame these racist ideologies. It makes me fucking sick.

 

Nope.

Get the fuck out of here with this shit. And don't tell us you're our ally and spout off on this garbage because we don't need you.

Also, I spent 9 years of my life in one of these Muslim countries, and yes, they aren't kind to the LGBT community at all. But neither are our western 'democracies' either. Just because our countries don't execute LGBT folks for living, doesn't mean our existences aren't treated with hostility in a host of other ways, so you'll have to forgive us if we don't bow down and worship at the altar of white western capitalism.