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The only difference is that we've seen the "political" Hillary for many many years. We've never seen Trump put in his place, and he obviously will be if he wins. That's one thing I'm interested to see...then again he may still be an ass even in office, and will probably be what, the second or third president to ever be impeached?

You have to wonder, all of these candidates talk about this and that, but when they win, I have a feeling they're brought in to a room and told "hey, this is how things are gonna go down, play nice or you're out." and then the figure head is spammed all over TV talking the typical rhetoric.

 

His own companies don't even do this so I find it hard to believe he'll be dedicated enough to get other companies to do this

 

Exactly.

I think all candidates have good intentions, but seriously, how many ideas ever come to fruition? It will be interesting to have a business man as president instead of a politician. Maybe that could be a good thing?

 

well trump is a fascist so

 

I'm pretty apathetic as to which one of these alternatives is preferable.

Also, on the choice between Clinton and Trump, I'm again apathetic. If Trump were to return to his centrist roots, which he has not entirely abandoned re: Planned Parenthood, single payer, etc., he could theoretically have high upside utility in roping the far-right to the middle. It's undeniable that, if he were to institute relatively leftist policies, however unlikely, his dogmatic following would nod their heads in enjoyment. There really isn't anything he could do that I believe would upset his voter base, appalling or surprisingly progressive. The latter is just increasingly unlikely as it becomes obvious that Trump is genuinely stupid.

With that said, yes, Clinton is still a preferable candidate on the basis that her killing of foreign citizens would be procedural and Trump's unpredictability with regard to military action is just too much to roll the dice on.

 

Your argument seems to be "well, he seems like an ass while running but maybe he'll be different in office and if he still an ass we can probably just impeach him". That seems like a very dangerous, risky change to take.

 

I don't know, Clinton's approach to Russia worries me more than anything else. The U.S. government appears to be itching for a fight (with a goddamned nuclear power for some psychotic reason) and I think she'd be more prone to scratch that itch.

 

FTR, if you get an "Obamacare" plan, you're still paying privately. It's not public health insurance.

Also not sure what type of health insurance would cost $2000 a month that isn't a family plan provided by an employer.

What I'm really surprised about is that you make more than roughly 45K but don't get insurance from your employer. Are you a contractor if you don't mind me asking? or self employed? If so, there are a lot of other tax credits out there for you in terms of health insurance, so def make sure you leave no stone unturned.

 

I hear people at work talk like this a lot. It always strikes me as pure, unadulterated ignorance. Businesses run this country, so what would having someone from that world actually do? If anything, it makes him more immune to the human cost of doing business. This says nothing of the fact that running a country is nothing like running a business. And he is a fascist. He wants to deport eleven million people and the violence that entails would be quite gruesome.

 

Obama managed to deport over 2 million without any trouble...

 

Also, I just want to leave this here:

Clinton Discusses What She Wants, but Not What She Will Do


"And while Mrs. Clinton reminisced about her campaign and talked of a need to unite the party, she did not concede, and indeed did not acknowledge that her rival, Senator Barack Obama, had passed the threshold of delegates needed to secure the nomination....Throughout the crowd, small knots of women with “Hillary” buttons furiously recounted what they deemed the sexism and slights of the campaign, some still angry at Mr. Obama for dismissing Mrs. Clinton in an early debate as “likable enough.” One man waved a homemade “Hillary or Nobody” sign. One supporter interrupted her speech by shouting, “You’re an amazing woman!”

 

No, there was violence involved in that as well, along with sexual assault, deplorable living standards in the holding areas and death.

 

This is news to me, but I am not surprised. I wonder if a wing of his library will be dedicated to depicting this achievement.

 

I'm talking out of my ass for the most part. I haven't followed him very closely, only what I see on TV when he's being "controversial".

I make 95k/year and I'm a contractor for an engineering firm. I've been in the oil/gas industry for almost a decade now, spent the last few years contracted. In simpler terms, I'm hired by company X to work in company Y's building...best way to put it. They have insurance but their premiums are as high as I said before. If I went through Obamacare, my dependents plus my income make the premium skyrocket. And even if I chose to pay the $800/month, I'd be paying like 10k out of pocket for the annual deductible before I could even use the shitty rates the plan offers.

Oh I know I'm ignorant to most of this stuff, and I'm against all of his racial stuff. My wife is Mexican and our kids are half Mexican. We go into Mexico quite often to visit family so of course I don't want to see things get more strict.

Also in my type of work, I come across people of Muslim faith quite often, there are a handful of guys who go pray every day and there is a specific room in the building for just that. This happened when I was in Kansas also, and there was a LOT of anti Muslim talk over there, pretty bad actually since the company didn't ever enforce the "no religion or politics in the workplace" section of the Code of Conduct.

 

Women allege sexual abuse at immigrant detention center - CNN.com
ICE Fails To Investigate Allegations Of Abuse At Detention Centers: Report

Obama Administration Defends Deportation Raids On Families

Obama has the mystical power to transform all liberals into apologists for barbarism.

 

This is weird

Trump's own lawyer in Trump University case is a Clinton donor

 

Trump is basically a Clinton employee guys, not surprised

 

Trump donated $100,000 to the Clinton Slush Fund

 

Thanks for posting this. I very distinctly remembered this sort of thing from '08, and it contrasts pretty sharply with the Hillary supporter narrative that she "graciously" exited.

 

The impression I get is that the Clinton campaign in 2008 did more or less everything they've accused Sanders' campaign of doing this time around.

 

Yeah contractors get the short end of the stick with benefits, usually. $2000 a month for a family plan actually isn't bad at all, I think that's about the high end of average around the country, it's the fact that the employer isn't even paying some of the premium for you....which again is why they prefer to have you as a contractor haha. It's cheaper for them because they don't have to provide insurance. If I remember correctly, there was talk about putting something into the ACA that addressed this issue because companies were increasingly doing it back when they were writing the bill, but nothing ever materialized. Lauren actually helped write the bill so she could probably tell you more than I could on that.

The ACA plan is probably the best way to go, especially if you're going without insurance now. Some of the basic stuff would be covered for free, which is probably what the family will use the most. 10K sounds like a lot, and it definitely is, but god forbid something happens to you at work that isn't covered by other insurances, you could be talking about being 100K in debt instead of 10K. I had a friend who got into a bad car accident that caused him to have to get a few of the bones in his neck fused. Between the overnight stays at the hospital and the surgery and meds and all that, he's now 150K in debt. Like I said, 10K sounds like a lot, but since the ACA removed all yearly and lifetime caps on coverage, having everything covered after 10K can make the difference between a bad year and bankruptcy.

 

Oh believes me I get it.

We have four kids, one of which is 6 months old who was born with lung/ability to produce oxygen issues, spent 2 weeks in the NICU with a team of like 10 people. He's fine now, but it came out to over a quarter of a million dollars.

We're still trying to get Kansas' health program to cover it because we put in our application prior to him being born, but it got approved after the huge bill.

Sometime I fucking hate the way this country does things.

 

Oh believes me I get it.

We have four kids, one of which is 6 months old who was born with lung/ability to produce oxygen issues, spent 2 weeks in the NICU with a team of like 10 people. He's fine now, but it came out to over a quarter of a million dollars.

We're still trying to get Kansas' health program to cover it because we put in our application prior to him being born, but it got approved after the huge bill.

Sometime I fucking hate the way this country does things.

BUT I don't hate it enough to support the taxation of the upper middle class to allow health care for all. I get that the idea won't financially work, but I still don't support that.

 

Jesus that's awful. Glad to hear everything worked out in the end. But people like you shouldn't be driven into possible bankruptcy because you wanted to save your infant son's life. As you say, the way this country does a lot of things is just terrible.

As expensive as some of the ACA plans can be, instances like that really make them worth it. But this is a perfect example of why we need a public option health care system, IMO. Everyone's covered, everyone gets the treatment they need, and if people want extra coverage they can buy private health insurance on top of the public health care. Which would probably be a lot more affordable than it is now because the insurance companies would have to lower prices to attract people to buy it when they don't absolutely need it.

 

I don't know how I went three years without insurance without having paranoid panic attacks worrying about getting into a major accident. Luckily my biggest out-of-pocket medical expense was twice-a-year blood work.