Avengers: Infinity War (Joe & Anthony Russo, April 27, 2018) Movie • Page 61

But if this movie is about morality, and the nuance and challenge of morality, then why present the same choice to multiple characters (lose someone you love to save trillions upon trillions of lives), and have them all make the same choice? Why not dramatize the build up to that choice? Why not show us the only two characters who don't make that choice (Ant-Man and Hawkeye), and why they made it? Why should I invest in these characters individual journeys and arcs in their standalone movies if it all goes out the window once the threat is big enough?

 

Like I said, carry on!

 

If we wanna talk about morality ... this is an example of the bad. Heh, it reads like terrorist propaganda when you word it this way.

 

Cool, then stop whining about people talking about the movie as "complaining just to complain."

 

I'm not sure how it's going to be handled in the next movie but they still died. The characters in this movie still had to watch their friends die. Peter Parker still died when he really didn't want to. That's awful. I don't know if they will still remember how it felt to die when they come back, that could be traumatic. I don't think the only worthwhile outcome is a permanent death. I also think it gives the heroes left something more serious to fight for.

 

So you can do it again in 4 years for the next event movie to be honest. #cynical

 

depends what it takes to get them back..

 

If characters can come back from the dead, I don't see how the weight of them "dying" could have any lasting effects.

 

I mean Gamora gave up the stone's location to save Nebula and Starlord fucked up the plan to take the gauntlet just because he was mad so not everyone did the "right" thing. Plus Strange gave up the stone to save Tony which seemed dumb but obviously probably wasn't.

Also I don't think their individual journeys and arcs don't matter anymore, they just get put on hold for this kind of thing. Which is understandably lame if you care much more about their personal arcs than everyone vs the big bad (it's why I tend to skip a lot of big events in comic books), I don't think it's contradictory though.

 

Have you not seen Buffy?

 

No, Joss Whedon is insufferable.

 

If they're aware of the fact that they died, that could mentally affect them. Tony was affected after nearly dying in the first Avengers and having half of the population of the universe be dead for a while would be a pretty huge deal, whether they come back or not. Honestly I'm not sure whether they'll be aware or not though so if not then sure it would be like it never happened but I'm guessing in that case at least a few, if not all, of the original Avengers will sacrifice themselves to bring them back so it's still something that's going to have lasting consequences. It's not going to just be an easy fix.

 

I think you're missing my point. I'm not talking about how it affects the characters in the movies, I'm talking how it affects the viewer. If I'm watching a movie and people are dying left and right, but I know that it's a possible or even likely that they'll come back in this or future movies, then it carries zero weight.

 

It's not even cynical, it's just the truth lol. If your story demands that your charac

All their individual journeys and arcs intersecting here is what should make this a fascinating, nuanced, character driven movie. They shouldn’t abandon their stances and be uniform, but that’s what they do.

I hadn’t thought of that Gamora moment when I made the initial statement, but again, the movie isn’t making the effort to be about a choice like that, it’s focusing on the literal mechanics of plot it takes to get Thanos to the Infinity Stones, and then get all the MCU characters together. And those plot mechanics take up so much, they overwhelm those moments. Those character moments are what make the action mean something. CGI villain wants to kill everyone is the bland, forgettable backdrop to a million mediocre movies. To set it apart, you have to ground it. This movie breezes past those important, small moments. People are rightfully praising the Gamora/Thanos scenes because they’re almost the only taste of that we get, though still, and this drives me crazy, that relationship is completely separate from Thanos’ ill-defined desires to kill half the population of the universe for some reason. I know he says it’s for the betterment of society, but where is any evidence of that, or any moment of him seeming to care about that greater good, so much so that he’d kill the only thing he apparently loves to get it?

 

Oh hellll no

I would dare you to rewatch BvS but i wouldn’t wish that upon someone

 

Yeah, I'm just talking about why it has an affect on me personally. It carries weight for me because I know even if they come back there's going to be some negative consequence for that to happen and it's still a huge thing that happened to this universe.

 

Peter gets made an Avenger for doing the very exact thing that Homecoming said he wasn’t ready to be an Avenger for doing.

 

The big theme/question of the movie I took away was sacrifice and how much a life worth. Cap brings this up when Vision is willing to sacrifice himself and Scarlet Witch has to make that choice with Vision. Thor touches on it with Rocket when discussing he has nothing left to lose. Heimdall’s Death is a sacrifice. Star-Lord experiences it by being willing to kill Gamora and then ruin the plan for his revenge. Gamora willing to give up the stone for Nebula. Thanos is all about making the choice of the greater good over not just one life, but half of all life. When to sacrifice, who to sacrifice, the reason for the sacrifice are things that are discussed in every one of the plotlines and I’m guessing will be even more prevalent in A4.

 

I’ve seen it multiple times. The flaws in handling the deaths are very similar.

 

They were in a pretty wild situation and tony prolly figured Peter could use the confidence boost

 

The point of this film and watching the ones before it is to see the infinity stones come into full play and have all of the characters affected by the stones interact and run into each other. Death isn’t something that is necessary although it’s nice to see consequences of this.

Even though they come back, Steve helplessly watching Bucky die, Okoye helplessly watching T’Challa die, Tony hopelessly watching Peter die, etc. will have long-term effects. They have experienced the losing side that their enemies always end up on.

Most of not all of the good reviews are happy with how “crazy”, “big” etc. the ending is and audiences seem to dig it, so I think audiences are experiencing it the same way the characters are. It’s the first time they are seeing their heroes die and the current time is what matters. They all can probably expect Spider-Man to come back, but it won’t stop their heart from beating quickly and them being surprised by actually watching Spider-Man die.

 

Something something journey something something destination

 

It’s about the friends you made along the way.

 

Man, I spent 16-ish movies talking about how there was a lack of stakes, strange motivations, and an overall lack of progression for these characters that would stick ... and was told to wait for it all to make sense and now after the three hour payoff the argument is again: just wait for next year.

I already wasn’t big on CW but this movie makes me even more disappointed with that one. So many people promised me that would pay off and my complaints needed this movie to be proven wrong. Butttttt noooo.

 

FTFY