Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards, December 16, 2016) Movie • Page 75

Definitely agree with you.

I definitely give the studio credit for taking a “risk” on this though. Despite being a Star Wars film, it’s not as safe as TFA.

 

I guess. Doesn’t change anything within the movie though.

I don’t hate Rogue One, but when people say it’s their favorite I don’t get it.

 

Rogue One isn’t my favorite, but I did find the change in perspective refreshing. One knock against Star Wars as a franchise is that it can feel excessively insular sometimes, and Rogue One helped illustrate the fact that there is an entire galaxy of people out there living their lives and having their own adventures.

 

Yes, an entire galaxy of borrrring people

 

I still like the movie overall, but I think I would like it less without information from outside canon entries. Somewhat ironic that the first stand alone movie doesn’t work without context from the rest of the universe.

 

My favorite out of all the Star Wars

 

Yea this is easily my favorite of the latest 3 and possibly of all; the visuals are a very large part of that and the characters are actually another. The main criticism seems to always be the character development, and this is obviously my own preference as I’m not an avid movie goer, but knowing the context of this movie within the others was enough reason for me to care about the characters and their fates. As long as I don’t dislike them, I’m good, and just wanna be entertained. This is a reaaally entertaining movie.

 

I still really enjoy the final act, unfortunately the first 2 do nothing for me. Easily my least favorite of the Disney films, though I have a feeling that will change when Solo comes out

 

The Battle of Scariff, Vader's hallway scene, and Donnie Yen doing this:

is enough for me to love this movie. I actually wish we'd get this level of choreography and martial arts for the Lightsaber/melee fights. But yes easily my least favorite of the new 3.

 

This is my current 4th favorite Star Wars film, behind Empire, Last Jedi, and New Hope. I've always understood a lot of the critiques but never really agreed personally. Rewatched it recently and still loved it.

The focus is on tone more than character compared to other Star Wars films, but I think the characters are still largely underappreciated.

 

Expect better from your Star Wars haha

I know the prequels made us all set the bar so low... but it doesn’t have to be that way!

 

What do those awful prequels have to do with liking Rogue One?

I hate those films and find them unwatchable. I have mixed feelings about Return of the Jedi structurally. I'm not at all looking forward to Solo. I don't watch Clone Wars/Rebels. I'm only interested in a few of the comic series. But, I genuinely love Rogue One and think it succeeds at what it's going for. I even like it slightly more than Force Awakens (though I like Last Jedi more).

Godzilla was one of my favorite movies of 2014, too. So evidently I just really like Gareth Edwards (even though he didn't have a hand in this film's reshoots).

 

I cared more about Chirrut and Jyn than I did anyone in TLJ. No character development my ass.

 

Jyn had some development, but I don’t think it was done well/I think some deleted scenes would have filled in some gaps and such for me for her.

How did Chirrut develop? He trusted the force the entire time. He didn’t change. He never wavered or doubted his actions and tried to change direction at any point.

 

Why develop if you’re already perfect

 

yea Chirrut is an already fully developed character in the story.. its like saying how did Yoda develop in the OGT.

 

It's not even that a character has to change or grow to be a good or interesting character, but the Rogue One characters were sketches. They were archetypes with no specific character detail or motivation independent of Jyn's arc, which was also not a particularly well dramatized one. It served Edwards well in Godzilla, where the human characters were secondary to Godzilla, but here they just trusted the audience to fill in the blanks and attach themselves to characters basically because this is Star Wars and giving someone one unique quirk is enough. It works for a lot of Star Wars' audience, it worked in the Force Awakens, too, but they don't compare to the Rey, Kylo, and Luke we got to know in the Last Jedi.

 

I’m not the one claiming he had development ? Haha

I think Chirrut was a positive for the movie. But he didn’t really get enough to do, IMO.

 

I guess I’m mixing development with having an arc. He was a developed character, but he had no arc.

 

I would argue the characters are secondary in Rogue One, too, though. It wasn't as effective as Godzilla, probably mainly due to Disney/Lucasfilm finishing the film without him (I think with his blessing), but I still found it largely effective.

Granted, a lot of the film's success in fleshing out the war outside the Skywalker family was done better in Last Jedi's underappreciated Finn subplot. Last Jedi is a better film. But, I still find Rogue One thoroughly engrossing and effective in its own right.

 

Speaking of Gareth Edwards, I have Godzilla on right now, and it's still so good. When is he going to tackle another blockbuster franchise?

After seeing what he did with Godzilla and Star Wars, I'd love to see what he could do in the comic book world. It'd have to be the right franchise, considering his sensibilities, but there are certainly some superhero properties he could do a lot of good for. He could be like a non-awful Zack Snyder, lol.

 

This.

He was a shining light in the groups doubt. Truly my favorite role Yen has played to date.

 

Hot take, Chirrut and the whole way this film dealt with the Force (or rather didn't deal with it) was immensely frustrating to me. It feels like they just included all this talk of the Force just because that's what people like about Star Wars, without it having any story or thematic purpose. Chirrut was basically a lightsaber-less Jedi who spouted empty platitudes the whole film that teach us nothing about the Force.

Also Jyn's mom randomly saying "Trust the Force" and then them never addressing that again is baffling to me.

 

It’s like a combo ensemble heist movie and gritty war movie but ensemble heist movies sizzle with the personalities of their ensembles and this one... doesn’t. The war stuff is pretty good, but on a visual level far more than on a thematic level. There’s stuff I appreciate about the movie but as a whole it’s just not anything particularly special. Movies like Godzilla and Titanic were able to infuse thematic resonance in the incredible filmmaking spectacle that was their action. Rogue One falls considerably short of them.

 

I think Chirrut is the first prime example of what the Last Jedi intended to do, show people the force is interpreted and used in more ways than the traditional Jedi/Sith view.

All these side characters were brought together through odd circumstances and led by a woman who had the motivation to do what she did against the empire. It was a self contained movie as intended that I think was executed pretty damn well. The characters who needed arcs, to change from who they were at the beginning of the film to who they were at the end, were Jyn and Cassian. That was done perfectly imo.