Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson, December 15, 2017) Movie • Page 306

This video (tweet thread below) pretty much sums up my feeling on the Canto Bight sequence and the reason I still enjoy it, despite wishing it had been executed slightly differently in parts.

In particular, the whole "It was worth it to destroy that town and make those people hurt"... "Now it was worth it" exchange, which seemed kind of dumb and out of place makes so much more sense to me now. In that moment, we see how Finn thinks the point of it all is just to hurt the bad guys, but for Rose it was only worth it because she was able to save these animals she loves. It's basically foreshadowing to Rose's "save what we love, not what we hate" speech. Another little detail Rian drops in there that enhances everything for me.

Also, it sets up Broom Kid. So that's a win.

 

Decided to just put on ROTJ just now, well the end, just from a few posts ago I got inspired to rewatch it. Luke's reaction when Vader stops the Emperor from killing him is kinda funny. We are to believe that Luke is close to death, then Vader intervenes and Luke just kind of has this 'wtf?' reaction right away, doesn't really look to be in pain. Idk, something minor I just found amusing.

 

I don’t get why Luke, knowing Vader had killed many, many innocents and even helped bring about the fall of the Jedi, still believed there was good in him. Yet, it’s so hard for him to believe there is still good in Kylo Ren. Compared to Vader, Kylo is just an angsty drama queen and has caused no where near the amount of damage that Vader did inbetween episodes 3-6.

 

That's a good point, perhaps because of the father/son dynamic? Nobody wants to believe their father will and always will be a bad person. To put it simply haha.

 

I'd say the father/son dynamic is why he could think Ben is lost forever. Luke knows the evil things his father did, but when he had the chance to watch his own son die, he saved him. Aiding in the murder of his family was a level of evil even Vader couldn't sign off on. Kylo, on the other hand, straight up murdered his own father.

 

And also maybe he saw that in his vision? Its one thing to know what somebody’s done in their past. A whole other thing actually seeing somebody killing and causing pain which is what luke saw when he looked in.

 

Fair point but luke never knew exactly what Vader did between 3-6. Obi-Wan and yoda never told him he killed younglings or went into detail.

Also I think we are forgetting “then my father is truly gone” line and proceeds to almost murder Vader after Vader says he’s going to go after Leia. The main reason he stopped is because he saw Vader’s robotic hand like his and didn’t want to become Vader. Not because he thought anakin was still there. He might have, but I don’t think he stopped because of that reason.

 

Could have been what he saw for sure. I just think when Luke saw him killing in the future his mind probably jumped to all the atrocities he had already seen the Empire commit, that he fought so hard to put an end too. Totally makes sense that a character that we already know is impulsive would think for a split second "I can't let this happen to the Galaxy again, I need prevent this all right now".

 

Well Luke's dialogue right before this is him saying he can sense 'conflict' in Vader still, so that was why he was so apprehensive to kill him too, I think.

 

And, I think there is meant to be a difference between what a youthful Luke, with his newfound Jedi-ness would see in someone, as opposed to an older Luke, who now has to be a teacher / mentor to a new generation, would see.

Luke’s failure as a teacher / mentor is a big element of the film. And the failure is in assuming the worst in his student. The “how come Luke thought this of Kylo and not Vader” is, I think partially, the whole point. It was a mistake. One might say that Luke found his own lack of faith in Kylo...disturbing.

 

i'm sad that aging means we can't get a mark hamill led film of luke's decline and disavowment of the jedi/force

 

Snoke knows, It’s in the noveliation of tfa

 

Luke knows bc Vader doesn’t kill him in V, while Kylo killed his father

 

it is an interesting poitn if Luke actually saw Kylo killing han when he looked in. I dont think he could see that moment in Kylos mind unless Kylo could see the future. Maybe he could just see that he intended to kill his father, which would make the "wait...wheres Han?" line mean even more.

Maybe when we get the novelization well see what Luke saw specifically.

 

Does anybody mind that Rey and Poe met in the novelization of TFA and met again in TLJ. Seen some people get upset by this. It wouldve been much weirder if they acted like they had met already since it wasnt on screen in TFA and im glad we actually saw them meet. They would take that out of the novel if they could. Such a small thing.

 

If someone vocalized that criticism to me in real life, I would laugh in their face for, at least, a solid 8 minutes.

Edit: I would probably periodically laugh whenever I remembered it, too. I imagine I’d be near death, and the memory would come back to me in a moment of lucidity, and I’d still chuckle.

 

Loving your takes today.

I’m totally for them meeting in TLJ, though if there’s a time jump leading into IX I would have been fine with them not and assuming it happened off screen.

Doesn’t bother me at all that it happened in the novel. Films trump the books, and the audience for the books are much smaller, so it makes sense it happened (again) in TLJ.

 

I think Luke knew HE couldn't save Kylo. He tells Leia he can't save him, but then says no one's ever really gone. I think he was saying he can't save him because of the anger Kylo has against him, but someone (Rey) could possibly save him.

 

Thanks! also if there is a time up I wonder what will happen with Rose and Finn after the time jump. Are they a couple? kind of didnt feel any spark between them in the first place personally so I dont know how well that will translate if they are. I can see Poe and Rey being a thing but I hope its not too contrived and corny. Han and Leia's was fun because their strong personalities clashed and the banter was great. Poe and Rey dont have that.

I could see it being a Kanaan/Hera type thing where they dont really seem like it but theres the tension for it and then it will end with them together or something.

 

God I hope both Rey and Poe/FInn and Rose aren't things.

 

I could see it being that they got separated pretty quick due to their obligations to the rebellion, so they haven't really spent much time around each other.

 

leave your cold dead heart out of this dan

 

In the Visual Dictionary, it’s states that Poe wears his mother’s ring around his neck and that he’s waiting to share it with the right partner

From what I know, Holdo was down to be with anyone, but we don’t get any reference to that in the film. Having more LGBTQ representation in the films would be great.

 

plz write star wars

 

Ha I can’t take credit for that tho — people have been speculating about it on Tumblr and Twitter for awhile now.
Also, I love how at the premier in LA they had fanart behind the actors while they were posing on the carpet. In one pic, you see John Boyega standing in front of Poe/Finn fanfic art ha