Brand New - Science Fiction (August 17, 2017) [ARCHIVED] Album • Page 1721

the people always deserve blame, the fact that people are letting older artists off the hook because people's reactions were different before is wrong. we should hold everyone accountable the same way

 

bowie literally pursued an underage girl until she slept with him. and then dated her on and off for a decade. that seems like grooming and then actually sleeping with an underage girl to me. thats what jesse did but with another, worse, thing done as well.

 

hey look what three people all liked my last post! looks like we're all on the same page now!

 

But there's nuance. I don't see ANY of these stories that we saw on that article include grooming. Most of those artists are stuff pre-Beatles other than Stones making a music that is about underage girls(?!) that I never even heard about.

 

what makes it different between david bowie and jimmy paige and mick jagger having sex with a 15 year old who was open to it with jesse lacey soliciting pictures from underaged girls who thought that's what they wanted as well?

 

tell straylightrunner, who has me blocked for no reason, the bowie allegations sound an awful lot like grooming

 

I don't know the details. I don't know the ages that these musicians were when it happened. I don't know if it was something that lead their own or something that happened without the musicians actually being aware of the victims ages. I do know that Lacey pursued underage kids though. That doesn't excuse Bowie's, Paige's or Jagger's actions by the way, I'm just saying that I do see nuance here.

 

(if you dont know the details about those artists maybe you shouldnt speak on them)

 

these girls were 14 and 15 and these artists were in their 20s and 30s and sometimes even older, and were passed around from rocker to rocker

 

@straylightrunner your righteous indignation isn't very righteous when your upset that someone compared two people who did the same thing.

 

hello?

 

Darn, was hoping this thread was deleted for good.

 

Nooooooooooo

 

i lost 600ish posts from that delete
and like 1000 likes

 

I have closed/archived this thread. It's reached 42k posts, and it's time. A thread just about the band can be found here, and a chat thread about music and stuff can be found here.

I think this period of time and the conversations in here around what happened with the band is important to save for posterity and their legacy.