Brand New - Science Fiction (August 17, 2017) [ARCHIVED] Album • Page 1651

I am the the worst AND a douche for trying to bring some common sense. Yep. I'm out of here.

 

uh..i'm a "victim"...not an abuser...neither are the majority of "victims"...what a strange thing to say...

 

Yeah, I mean I am surprised by the underage accusations, but honestly not really surprised on manipulative behavior towards women. Everyone reveled his lyrics, but its like, where do you think "you're daughters weren't careful, I feel like I am a slippery slope" came from?

The lyrically content is heavy because they headspace to write them is heavy.

 

You are the polar opposite of common sense though.

My advice? Shut up. Stop posting. Stay on the forums, but only read. Learn. Think. Process. Grow.

Because right now you are spewing incompetence.

 

Pierce the Veil

 

I literally said “but not all”. Maybe “many” was an over reach. But it is a thing. I am sorry for whatever happened to you and I am glad you have not let that lead you down that path.

 

yeah it was the "many" i had a problem with. it's all good g

 

Sorry, I was kind of annoyed and posted very quickly. Need to be better at choosing my words in contexts such as this.

 

So do you think all dudes who sexual abuse woman and all rapists were just abused and that's why they view women the way they do and treat them like they do?

 

Humans are not born good or bad. They become who they are in some way or another. It's not wrong to assess what drove a person to do the things they did, what made them who they are. It's not the same as excusing it, and people have made it explicitly clear they aren't excusing anything.

 

At the ripe age of 30 I’m finally starting to get that. But back when I was a kid and these records were coming out and everyone was into them (including me) I just didn’t connect that. I definitely picked up on his self deprecation but I never thought I was connected to something like this.

I assumed that he had issues he was sorting through, to the extent that we all do like guilt, or regret of how he treated someone and he was using extreme metaphors to get that across. I didn’t realize then how literal it was.

 

Humans are products of their environment. Nobody is born evil.

 

I think its far more advantageous to look at the root causes of why these men don't respect women in the first place, rather than shout "STAHP RAPING WOMEN!!! STAHPPPP!!!" every time this happens.

 

I took an intro to psychology

I took an intro to psychology class in college too.

Theorizing and speculating about what caused him to do these things doesn't fucking help. There are plenty of people out there that had shit lives and had tons of shitty things done to them that grew up to not repeat those actions against other people.

 

To be fair yeah this completely dismantles my post and I wasn't really thinking. I guess someone else was sharing Wolf Alice love and I am happy it's a band that is far enough removed from this to be doing a good job and being absolutely clear from allegations. Sorry for the lack of relevance, wasn't really thinking.

 

I think learning what causes people to do terrible things is good. especially for those of us raising little humans and don't want our kids to be terrible people or have terrible things happen to them.

 

Behavioral genetics isn't far enough along to have decently indicative empirical evidence to say genetic factors influence things such as this. Not sure about purely psychological indicators, i'm a bioinformatician, not a psychologist.

 

Good thing no one is saying that everyone who had shitty things happen to them goes on to do shitty things

 

It's ok, my post was douchey too. Just give a thought before posting something as to whether it draws attention to yourself unnecessarily - adult humans hate that shit.

 

This. The level at which this is happening surely can cause for some research and education on it.

 

It has to be framed properly, though. Too much of the current discussion seems to be fishing for excuses for his behavior.

 

You're ascribing motives to people that they themselves have not stated.

 

The point that me and others are trying to make is that while learning can help, what people are doing is fantasizing and romanticizing the situation. That you can't do. You can't presume that Lacey did this because it was done to him. That's fucked up and like I've said previously, putting the protagonism once again on him, ALSO the victimhood. You don't know what happened with Lacey, we don't need to know what happened to Lacey to do that, he is free to share that one day if he wants to. With that said, creating theories about why he did what he did is a form of justifying. I know it's hard to cope with this, I'm not saying things that are easy to accept, but that I feel like it needs to be said. It's fruitless to theorize what made Lacey do what he did, it serves no one but him.

 

I feel like I'm trying to explain why drug users should be rehabilitated instead of executed

 

Yeah, I mean using only Jesse Lacey as a case study is pointless. Individuals can't be taken as aggregate. Also, none of it matters in this case anyway. Any traction going forward will be for future generations. I doubt there will be a useful way to educate people with power how to not misuse it though, been a staple of human nature since the beginning of humans.