Why I Deleted the Recent Makeout Video Post • Page 15

Basically, the same answer as before. If I start answering every single "why do you post about ..." question it's all I'll do. Every hip-hop artist post. Every tour that has a band on it that's suspect. Deconstructing every lyric. Every past lyric. You don't write about X but you write about Y. You can see it here in this thread how it plays out. It's always the same and it's hardly ever in good faith.

My mind changes all the time about what and when I feel like posting something about what bands with the information I have at the time as well. Sometimes hourly depending on how I feel. If I post about something it's for the same reasons it's always been: I think it's something that is interesting to me, I think will be relevant to our readers, I think a lot of people wanna know about it, I wanna comment on it, or a simple I feel like it (and sometimes I'm wrong or change my mind or reasoning later). There's a few dozen different reasons and they shift and change; it's fluid. I'm not gonna argue about every post or band I write about or those I don't. It's a waste of my time cause it's my site and my decision what I write about ... there's no heuristic beyond that. You, and all others, can have completely different bands or stories you'd write or post about. That's fine. That's the beauty of a blog online. Explaining every way my brain works through posting about Bayside or STD or XYZ band still would end up being my entire day ... and someone would ask for every single one.

 

I can understand that. It's easy from my point of view to critique of course, considering I don't have the weight and responsibility that you do running the site - so I appreciate you explaining your side of things and I do appreciate you running a good ship here at Chorus.

Overall though a very good decision to pull that post because the lyrics combined with the video was just disgusting, and his reactions have been simply unbelievable.

 

Makeout is a really bad name for a band

 

Those lyrics... woof

It shouldn't matter whether or not pop punk bands in the past wrote similar garbage. The fact is that we matured and chose to recognize those songs for what they are.

There is absolutely no reason why we can't hold new artists to a higher standard of behavior. For music culture to progress we can't be making excuses like "They should be able to write music like this because *X* band wrote lyrics like this 20 years ago."

 

Ok I just have the tiniest problem with the "I'm not a woman and I can't even begin to understand what that's like" type of thing that gets thrown around by non-women all the time as an excuse for not understanding misogyny and its effects.

That's such a goddamn cop out. Yeah, women tend to have very different experiences, and without having personally experienced living as a woman, you're never going to be able to say you understand everything about it. Hell, I don't understand the experiences of many other women.

The kicker is that no one's asking you to. You probably wouldn't expect someone to perfectly understand all of your non gender-related personal hardships and struggles, especially without having told them about it.

Normally when you tell people about a problem you're having (at least in a serious conversation lol), they a) believe it's a real problem that's actually happening to you, b) ask for more details, and c) offer some sort of empathy.

It's not shocking that lots of non-women seem incapable of doing any of the above when the problem in question is one of misogyny. The lengths that said people will go to to continue their disbelief/ignorance/lack of empathy is and probably always will be shocking to me.

The answer isn't "I'm not a woman so I could never understand this." That does nothing. That gets you nowhere (except out of the conversation, which tends to be where this is used). Idk what the answer is but "I'm not a woman and I don't understand this, would you mind explaining a little more about ___/how ___ feels/your experience with __" seems more productive, no?

Women are people. We can and do communicate. Try listening next time, rather than covering your ears because you "can't understand."

 

Ill give you the fact that the song isn't very exciting...its actually completely shit.

i also i understand you don't want your business to be poorly represented.

but you can't knock any artist for expressing themselves, its a hell of a lot better than some of the other options these kids have to let out frustration.

isn't that the point of art? healthy self expression?
I think we've lost touch with that.

 

It's literally the definition of **not** healthy self expression.

 

this just in -- calling women "fucking whores" is just artistic, healthy self-expression! wow really wish i knew that one when a middle-aged man yelled "whore" at me from his car when i was 13 -- that totally would've made the experience less scary!! i wasn't going to quote you at first but then i realized you're a fucking moron and you deserve to know that, so here you go.

 

This isn't great. Pretty brutal and inaccurate generalisation.

On Topic: this Makeout song is fucking terrible, I would not post it either.

EDIT: see below

 

Dear Jason,
You're going to dismiss me as "one of those" people, like you always do when met with any criticism. I'm a person of color and intersexed with a masters in Gender Studies and Jason, your maturity hasn't changed since the early days. You're still the exact same person, still aggressively jumping on different wagons, one by one (very seldom bothering to actually get into it on a deep level to achieve an understanding, assuming you already understand). This song is no different from all the records we liked in the early 00's and now see as classics.

I checked out the song. Did you hear the brdige? It's actually a pretty good illustration of how most people feel when they've been dicked over in a relationship, including the "fuck it", part. Your favorite bands have done the same thing. Is it hamfisted and possibly immature? Yeah. Do most people feel this way at some point in life? Yes and most of your favorite bands are equally guilty of this. This is pure favoritism again, just like when you banned people for discussing Wentz nudes, but openly mocked, laughed and even made a newspost on it, when it happened to someone else in the same time-frame. Yes, this happened, no matter how much you want to keep saying that it didn't.

And no, I won't be following those people on twitter, "it's 2017" is an incredibly ludicrous thing to say and really shows how freshly adopted your ideas are, resuling in the expression of them being just as ham-fisted as the song in question. I'm over 30 and I'm of the same stance I've always been, so are the people I call my friends and family. You jumping on this wagon misrepresents a lot of people who've just been chill and pro-active this entire time. Just the fact that you say "relatively young" is such a put down and really shows where you're at as a human being. You're completely disregarding so many factors, because of your new found ideology making you feel like you're somehow contributing something to the world. in before you say "just being a nice fucking person isn't an ideology" or something of that stature, failing to understand how ham-fisted THAT is.

I mean, in this very thread, you say "that guy was an idiot" regarding yourself 15 years ago. Ok, that's you, that's fine. Not everyone's like that, a lot of people actually had some sense of justice, equality and compassion in that point of their lives and still do. That's exactly what my point is, thanks for illustrating it so plainly for me.

Jason, if you truly want to find out more about yourself, click this link:
Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

I'd say "I know you'll delete this post", but that'd only result in you keeping it up.
With all this being said, you post about whatever you want, obviously. My point and issue is far larger than some industry-forced Feldmann project obviously farmed to a major.

 

it's sad that you literally created an account to say this, thanks for adding nothing to the conversation!

 

Adding nothing? Of anything you can accuse me of, how is "adding nothing" a factual point? See, this is sad, we can't even have a discussion because you won't even acknowledge someone who's on the same side of you, simply because you can't see any point that isn't 100% like yours.

And how is that sad? I havn't been into this site since years before the change to chorus.fm and my name is literally a fun jab towards that, see, you can't even understand that in your echo chamber.

 

Pretty sure he just means he gets questioned every time he posts about anything NOT pop punk/punk/indie/Brand New/Blink 182/etc.

 

Your name isn't funny it's just weird, second of all this song is just disgusting. You're right that some pop punk songs, even a couple of classics, have similar sort of lyrics but you do get why we have to be harsh with this sort of thing right?? A lot of pop punk songs do centre around a theme of love and heartbreak but when it comes to the heartbreak side I don't think we should be promoting a song that goes "you fucking whore" because it's literally the worst thing you can write about that person.

Cheating sucks we all know that, and I'm not defending the songs in the past that have similar sort of lyrics, but this shit needs to stop. It just shows they can't even articulate their thoughts into anything constructive apart from sexist and misogynistic lyrics towards an ex, it's certainly nothing that teens on the internet should be singing along to. Let's challenge these sorts of songs in order to better everybody else, I'd rather take the generic stuff over this sort of trash any day.

EDIT: Classic pop punk songs that have these kind of lyrics suck a lot too and should also be condemned

 

If that's the case I take back what I said

 

I wondered how long it would take for someone to comment something shitty on this thread taking a pop at Jason. I thought page 10 but luckily we made it all the way to page 15.

 

Okay, the "classic" pop-punk songs that include lyrics and messages like this? Also bad.

 

I thought I put that in there oops, I'll edit it now

 

So you went from "thanks for adding nothing" to I'm right about certain things and we should band together and fight them, in a couple of minutes?

Here's the thing. When Brand New does this, when Say Anything does this, I don't challenge it; why should I? I'm not into it, but people are allowed to be if you don't care about these topics and don't understand how they influence the world and a certain demographic. But to see Say Anything and Bayside fans now shit on this band for doing the same thing, even defending themselves by saying this is 2017 and "we should know better", that's silly, were you really "an idiot" (quote) in 2003? I wasn't, the people i choose to spend my life with weren't. I mean, it's ok if you were but please understand that the world doesn't revolve YOU and how YOU see the past you. You can improve a fuckton as a human being and still not be a positive, pro-active person... And that's fine.

I'm not harsh with it because I understand what the lyrics are and I understand that a lot of people like a lot of those songs. For those people to all of a sudden care when it's a new band is as I mentioned above, not positive and pro-active since you're missing a big piece of the overall picture. It goes hand in hand with thinking you were an idiot 15 years ago. I don't think I was (on that level), so I see a Say Anything song as the same exact thing as a Makeout song; So I'm not into either. But does that mean i should be harsh on them or call out people who like them? Absolutely not. I'd expect that they know what they're supporting and engaging in. The difference is that a lot of people here don't seem to understand that you've been complicit all this time and you continue to be so; You've just now decided to pick your battles. That's fine, but at least be aware of that.

 

You were specifically calling Jason out which doesn't really add anything to the dialogue that's all, just trying to provoke a reaction out of him. But yeah it is 2017 and we should know better, no one here is denying that they may or may not have said some things when they were younger that they regret now. We just want this scene to do better than what this song represents, which is always going to be a challenge because this whole scene has always had misogyny and sexist undertones to it. However when the lyrics are as blatant as this, how can you not be disgusted by it?

We're not saying this band can't come back from this or anything, however their reaction to criticism makes it highly unlikely now, but they need to take responsibility for it (just like all the other "classic" bands who may have had songs similar to this message too) and realise that this shit just doesn't fly by in 2017. If you write a bunch of trash, expect to have some form of backlash to it.

 

Wow it is really important to some people that they are able to sing along to songs calling people these words.

 

The worst part is that the guy said "oh yeah it's not just about girls, it can be guys too!" lmao come on dude, using that word is already bad enough but saying that it isn't attached to one gender more than the other? Grow up

 

Ah, a masters in gender studies! Please teach us all how these lyrics are ok

 

It's used after a breakup, therefore it's okay!

 

Hey everybody, I have a degree in gender studies and can really dive deep into the psychological and societal factors that go into developing this kind of misogyny and the damaging impact it can leave for the next generation of young kids who normalize and accept this behavior.

Anyway, here's a bunch of personal attacks and logical fallacies.