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this thread is fucking stupid

 

So your post's central statement was entirely wrong then. This messaging has been effective with the majority of people (Sixty percent of adults oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border). It has not become propaganda and "further embedded his beliefs into public consciousness" ... a lot of the messaging about Trump's incompetence has been effective and reached people — and he just dropped 8 points with his die hard supporters (I just posted this above).

 

Wow. They must have pushed him hard on this because it sounded like Missouri politicians were dead set on execution.

 

to be clear, my point is not that the dems are racist; it's that they don't understand how this legitimizes inhumane policies by presenting them as standard. i fail to see how this strategy benefits the people marginalized by the premise and promise of a wall.

 

um... propaganda isn't characterized solely by its acceptance by a majority of the masses.

 

"works by impressing itself on masses"

Just going off what you wrote.

 

The margin of victory was so small in so many states that all you really have to do is shave a few thousand people off from his turnout numbers while turning out more of your own people to make an electoral difference. The slow erosion of his "strongly support" numbers would point to there being some progress there.

 

Tammy is going to sell us magic beans

 

When the leader of the opposition party, and the country, ran on those ideas, then they have already been accepted as standard by that party's voters.

If someone is running on ridiculously stupid ideas that he can't accomplish, pointing out that he's still failed to accomplish them is usually decently effective on the surface.

 

And they've already won most of the "don't want the wall" voters. (And Dems are opposing it many ways, it's not like one email is the totality of the strategy here.) You made a good point earlier, if those that thought Trump was going to come in and shake it all up and get shit done see that he didn't, and that group of people don't turn out in the next election, that itself probably flips the states. Changing "trustworthy" numbers with 3% of his most ardent supporters may actually swing an election.

(And, again, it's one of a billion emails sent every day by political groups. Reading too much into it feels like a reach to want to paint a narrative that fits preconceived ideas.)

 

And I thought pop-punk merch was bad.

 

Yeah the people I worked with this summer went to some convention related to HUD in DC a few weeks ago and their delegation was supposed to meet with some high up in HUD and then 2 hours before were told it would be some lesser administrator and then actually ended up meeting with someone who was essentially a receptionist.

 

A new floor, or a temp dip? That's what I'm most curious about.

 

The Dems are pro wall. I will vote Dems.

 

R. Kelly Paid An Underage Woman Not To Speak. Now She’s Telling Her Story

Jesus.

 

Maybe. But, many people interpreted it as though it were racist or had racial connotations. It isn't a lack of expertise at play here. And sure, maybe you'll erode some support in the process, but maybe it turns people off because they don't like the way in which democrats are legitimating that sort of discourse.

 

Trump ran on getting rid of Obamacare, and failed ... it's a good thing he failed at it ... and Dems should absolutely run on every level of it: his inability to understand it, to get anything done, his grandiose promises that were ridiculous, his inability put together a plan at all, and their own plan forward. All of it combined.

Taking away the idea that Trump can be believed seems relatively effective to me, his trustworthy numbers continue to go down further than his unfavs. People were fine voting for him when they didn't like him, if they thought he'd do stuff for them. If they don't think that, will they still vote for him? I dunno, I get why it's worth attacking though.