Fall Out Boy - MANIA (Jan 19, 2018) Album • Page 8

Imo, people can like or dislike a song for literally any reason they want

 

I like Young and Menace better than this song. Y+M is infinitely more interesting but this isn't bad.

 

I would love for them to be making huge sounding, weird pop songs, but they're just writing bad songs with awkward lyrics that sound more annoying than big, imo. I will forever disavow the "this isn't rock music fob needs to be pop punk!!!!!" haters.

 

I don't think you even know what you are arguing anymore, I'm bowing out of this

 

What happened to this band

It always amuses me when people say a band like this is "moving forward" or "expanding their boundaries" - no they're fucking not. If they were, there'd be jazz music influences, there'd be classical music influences, there'd be tribal/world music influences. When the only influence a listener can detect is the same EDM/hip hop tripe that the rest of the top 40 all-stars are belching out, you've completely saturated your sound and sold out for mainstream approval. So just be honest with your fans about it.

 

Were you by any chance born in the wrong generation?

But seriously, are jazz/classical/tribal-world influences really more valid for moving forward than edm/hip-hop?

edit: there were like world tribal influences on Immortals and that song was pretty universally hated by people over the age of 13, I think lol

 

They're a pop band though, it's not surprising they're being influenced by what's popular.

 

this band sold out. would someone think of the pop punk.

 

You forgot to ask where the guitars and "real" drums are.

EDIT: Sorry, that was a little dick-ish, but come the fuck on with the musical snobbery. Jazz, classical, and tribal/world music are not inherently better, more valuable, forward-thinking, or expansive than EDM, hip hop, or pop.

 

Seriously, we have the same discussion every time Fall Out Boy makes new music. People have been calling them sellouts since Cork Tree. If you enjoy this band you kind of just have to look past what other people have decided is "selling out". If you know anything about the members of this band, then you know their making the music they want to make. If you think they are sell outs then... don't listen? This isn't really the breaking point is it?

 

The idea of being influenced by EDM, or electronic music, or literally ANY genre is not inherently a bad thing. The mindset that "EDM/hip-hop" influences are inherently bad is honestly embarrasing

 

but pop punk is closer to jazz and classical than edm and hip hop are obviously and that means something

 

good lord y & m is obnoxious

 

Can you imagine a Fall Out Boy jazz & classical track? That would TOTALLY BE SUPER DOPE

 

I bet no one in this thread has even heard Pet Sounds.

 

Ok like I said there are legitimate reasons to think both songs are bad but holy hell "they sold out" and "edm and hip hop influence are bad" are not good reasons

 

glad to see that the dads are mad


song is


not good tho

 

It's not that EDM and hip hop are inherently bad influences, they're just inherently more transparent in their motives given how popular that style of music is today.

Two very different bands obviously, but Bombay Bicycle Club for example has absolutely no issue incorporating all the influences I stated into an album that's still very clearly pop-oriented, and diversifying their sound with each album. Fall Out Boy are a talented group of artists who are underselling themselves making the music they're currently making.

 

Hey, I take offense at that. I'm a dad (and probably among the oldest people in this thread, if not the entire site) and have no issues with their pop, hip-hop, EDM influences.

But I don't think this song is great. I love "Young and Menace" (except the title) and kept waiting for this to take a turn and do something more interesting but it never gets there and just kind of ends. I'd be fine listening to this on the album though, especially if it's the least interesting thing on there.

 

But see FOB has no reason to have the "motives" you're describing because they're already huge as shit, so like, what would they have to gain from "selling out"...

 

I don't have the time to go find all the posts from people saying they didn't like it cause it was so different and they wanted pop-punk fob back ... but it was definitely said.

 

I really loved Y&M. New song is ok.

And I love the direction they are heading. I think they are making interesting music. And have been for a while now.

 

Pets...Hounds?

 

I don't think you're trying to do this, but this post is again making, or at least implying, value judgments on these different styles of music. By saying they're underselling their talent making EDM and hip hop-inspired pop music, rather than jazz, classical, or world music-inspired, implies that it somehow takes more talent to make jazz, classical, or world music than it does EDM or hip hop.

 

ha, was only joking!

dads are funny