General Politics Discussion (III) [ARCHIVED] • Page 664

But, David, moderate republicans and tea party voters were able to make concessions from both fractions of the GOP on a candidate over things like Benghazi and if they said "taxation is theft!" during a campaign speech. They compromised ultimately over things that are materially unimportant.

The Left and the Democrats are butting heads over policy issues on basic survival for millions of people like single payer, living wage, access to public education, and addressing the prison-industrial complex. That's why I get exasperated when I see "the GOP compromise! why are the Left giving us purity tests??" These are things that the party should already be supporting but they don't because they keep trying to win over those independently right leaning/moderate-right GOP voters who vote consistently during all election cycles. Yeah, I get why they're a sweet demographic to go after. But they should have been building their own rabid base and carving out support from those nonvoters and creating tools and providing resources at all levels of elections for candidates like the GOP has been doing for decades now.

 

Yeah, if your political project is relying upon "Panera republicans", you're not doing politics correctly.

 

"I was just trying to show my wife and kids that the Arizona Diamondbacks existed."

 

This is for a specific republican district in georgia. Democrats/left wing voters should work on getting the most progressive candidates they can for the specific electorate. In texas it'll be a centrist dem, in CA it should be further left candidate and so on. nationally for pres/vp they should get whoever they can that can win, I hope that they go further left than Hillary was and they win but districts and states need to have candidates that can win locally in their respective district and state. as a side note I'd like to see a leftist win somewhere before I say that they are the natural next phase of the party.

 

The chicken and egg problem of going after the median voter ... god I hate a first past the post system.

 

this is going well

 

Just looked up the history of this district and Newt Gengrich held this seat for 20 years before some body else got it for 6 then Tom price for 12 years. I just don't know how we can say that we should be running a leftist/bernie type candidate for this district, that's a sure fire way to lose this seat.

edit: to add that price won this seat each election with over 60% of the vote.

 

to tentacle porn tho?

 

ew

 

Now I miss PSH :(

 

Middle aged white dude walking around in a suit
" We used to have real pornography in this country, your friend Dave would bring his dad's Playboy to the woods, now people are online looking at tentacle porn"

 

Ya'll remember how welfare reform was an argument within the conservative movement that they built into a common sense, alongside the rest of their oppressive ideas, that had democrats itching to kill a mentally disabled black people and throw millions into poverty? That's a political project. They rid themselves of all of the Rockefeller republicans and proceeded to achieve ideological hegemony and remade the country in their image. The game of tacking to the right, in order to win ultimately leads to a lack of coherence and bad policy, if you're actually interested in left-wing change. If, however, you're interested in this moralistic, West Wing type politics, then yeah, the Osoff way is the way forward.

 

hopefully he can get to the bottom of this tentacle stuff though.

 

I think considering the party as a whole's two attempts in a 17 year span to enact a single payer system, its not really accurate to say Democrats as a party are "butting heads" with the left on that. Same with the other two issues, honestly. One of the people blamed the most for the War on Crime just ran on a platform of reforming it.

 

I just don't feel like it's either/or. Right now I think we need Osoff to achieve specific goals (and the demographics of voters for the seat are a reality) and I think trying to move the entire country left at the same time should be happening.

 

he's not the way forward nationally. just in fucking georgia. I want the national party to say that they are 100% in on single payer, taxing the rich, environmental focus. but in georgia I'd rather the republican who literally said "This is an example of the fundamental difference between a liberal and a conservative. I do not support a livable [sic] wage" to lose to anyone who might share some of the same things that I'd agree with on a national level.

 

But there are a couple dozen, at least, seats you'll lose immediately if you don't run moderate candidates. The demographics of those places make it impossible otherwise.

 

Ossoff's position on single payer is a reflection of the Democratic party as of right now, though. That's the problem. The Party doesn't recognize that single payer is supported by the majority of Americans, it's a policy worth campaigning on, fighting for, and using to turn out votes. And that's not even getting into the fact that it's simply the right thing to do in the first place, regardless of political popularity.

 

also lol

 

I agree there. the party needs to wake up and realize that that's the way forward, but currently nobody is scared of losing to the leftists, they are scared of losing to the republicans.
the national party needs to have a convention now, with no candidates and create a platform that we can use for the next 3 years to get more left people elected throughout the country.

 

I feel like you think this doesn't say "they tried doing their job twice in 17 years."

 

I think the most of the party does realize that, it's easy enough to look at the polls ... but they're also struggling with how to handle this:

Those results dropped dramatically when respondents were asked if they supported single-payer “if it would result in large increases in government spending.” At that point, only a quarter of respondents supported the idea — including a little over a third of Democrats.

And:

One problem with polling on single-payer, and one reason that the results above vary so widely, is that the idea itself isn’t complicated but the ramifications may be. That point about costs, for example, resulted in a big shift in responses — and it’s an argument that would certainly be made by the legislation’s opponents. (Analysis of Sanders’s single-payer plan last year found that the senator from Vermont had likely underestimated the expense his proposal would incur.) That Gallup poll didn’t introduce the idea that costs might increase substantially.

That's why I don't think it's so black and white, the polls being cited for support tell the story about where the difficulties are as well.

 

Fucking lol, man. Jesus, Kurt.

“I mean, let's be honest, it's fucking weird,” Eichenwald told The Outline. “I mean, cartoon porn, you know? It's beyond weird. But it's sort of like, what is that thing... which again, I’ve never looked it up but 'three cups and a bowl’ or something?” The Outline confirmed Eichenwald was referring to popular porn video “2 Girls 1 Cup,” in which women defecate into a cup. Eichenwald said he did not know what “2 Girls 1 Cup” is about and refused multiple times to have the video described to him.

Kurt Eichenwald says he was just trying to show his wife some tentacle porn